Thursday, April 18, 2013

Windows Phone strategy is not working

http://windowsitpro.com/mobile/jump-lumia-sales-sole-good-news-nokia-earnings
Nokia’s other phones are not doing well: Overall phone unit sales dropped an alarming 30 percent, year over year, to 55.8 million units in the quarter. And Nokia continues to struggle in North America, where sales of Lumia handsets actually fell 33 percent to 400,000 units. A new “hero” phone is coming to the US market “later this quarter,” according to Mr. Elop.

While their international sales look better this drop is bad news no matter how you spin it.

I honestly think a big factor in the recent drop is Windows Phone 8. It was bad enough that they ditched all the progress they made with Windows Mobile. They could have integrated some of the older API instead of trying to pretend that it never existed. Why not bring in Win32 mobile? Why throw away all that code that was created? Oh that's right, because Ballmer promoted a .NET/Win32 hating douchebag who thinks any API not created in the last 5 minutes is "legacy" and should be erased from history.

Then comes Windows Phone 8. All the early Windows Phone 7 developers are told another API is coming (groan) and then WP7 users are left with unanswered questions about 7.8, future compatibility, talk of support ending in a few years. Wow, way to FUCK UP what you cobbled together after your previous FUCK UP. Then there is the continued chasing of Apple while ignoring feature requests from business users. Why the hell does WP not sync locally with Office? Oh and don't tell me about how I just need to setup an outlook.com account and blah blah blah blah. Old Microsoft would have synced the damn phone when I plugged it in. There should not be a "logging in to website" process to copy contacts from my Outlook address book to my Windows Phone when I have it plugged in with a USB cable. I don't use outlook.com, I have a work email ON A FUCKING EXCHANGE SERVER THAT YOU FUCKING SOLD US. But NuMicrosoft wants to be Apple and thinks that creating commercials with Jessica Alba is more important than local Office syncing.

That's fine, I'm ditching Windows Phone anyways. I just don't see much of a point to it anymore now that Android has been significantly improved with the last few releases while the WP store falls further behind. That's part of being a non-Fanboy, you evaluate technology and choose what works best. When technology changes you re-evaluate and make changes that suit your needs and preferences.  You don't stick a flag in the ground and defend some platform you no longer value to the bitter end.

I still like the Windows Phone interface but it's not enough to keep me around. They're just not offering me enough product value over the alternatives. The rest of the country seems to feel the same way.

219 comments:

  1. What a shame for Nokia. To have the albatross of WP8 around their necks.
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    "The bottom line: Nokia has all the lemons, but will likely make little lemonade. Windows Phone is a strong platform, and reviewers have fawned over the Lumia hardware. But by failing to keep ahead of the curve, Nokia has fallen behind out of sight, and can only be heard by its faint whispers at a distance.

    Nokia's recovery — if there will be one — will start now, or never. There are only so many times we can keep cheering on the guy at the back of the race."

    http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-q1-preview-make-or-break-quarter-on-windows-phone-sales-7000014115/

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  2. I say good riddance.

    Android is what Windows Phone should have been. Maybe a little spotty in places but open and developer friendly. Enterprise doesn't want a locked down phone with limited language support.

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  3. They would want the ability to lock it down though; I would imagine Android would be able to provide that by now.

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    1. NuMicrosoft would add a new API that no one asked for and then lock down the store.

      They would also force Metro and then tell us that 'telemetrics' told them to do so and then proceed to ignore any questions about providing choice.

      Thank God Android is not in their hands. NuMicrosoft needs to be smacked around by the market until they realize that mimicking Apple does not mean they will make more money.

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    2. Android is useless as a desktop replacement OS. The interpreted nature of Android code pretty much guarantees that.

      The real issue with Microsoft is that in their niche they still own the store for all those who cant get buy with the mickey mouse productivity applications (when they exist at all) available for the Android/ARM platform.

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    3. --Android is useless as a desktop replacement OS. The interpreted nature of Android code pretty much guarantees that.--

      Don't be too sure. Android is 1 a stepping stone letting Ubuntu and others on to the hardware.

      2 Android does have native code support. As normal have not done homework on Android. QT applications on android are mostly native code.

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    4. Oiaohm is being idiot as normal. Nobody wants Ubuntu on the desktop, much less even on the phone. They don't even have a functional prototype, it's just mock-up crap. Firefox at least has some deals in place and something that largely works as advertised.

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    5. George Wilson problem here Ubuntu does already have production lined up.

      There are 4 Linux based phone OS's with deals in place currently that are not in the market.

      Ubuntu and others. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes I do give you not fully functional. You can make a phone call on it.

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    6. Hamster proplem here Ubuntu not matter not relevant you idiot me Tarzan.

      Just leave the argument to the eight year olds round here, why don't you? Pitiful as they are, you're not even qualified to lick the fungus off their toenails.

      "You can make a ohone call on it?" What the hell sort of an argument is that? I can make a phone call on my Nokia piece-o-crap $5 Symbian phone. Why would I buy into this Ubuntu drivel that, as I recall, you are normally totally against, because it just ain't free enough?

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    7. Just leave the argument to the eight year olds round here, why don't you? Pitiful as they are, you're not even qualified to lick the fungus off their toenails.

      See, everyone, DrLoser still loves us, even you Kurkos.

      (no homo)

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    8. Possibly not a homo ... so lovely to see refugees from LHB here ... but still a fucking incompetent who can't hit the correct "reply" button.

      I hope you're suitably abashed.

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    9. Dr Loser did you not read what George Wilson said
      --They don't even have a functional prototype--

      They do have a part functional prototype. Reviewers of the prototype are way more positive than Reviewers for Windows Phone 8 prototype heck even final release.

      Really Windows Phone 8 must really sux balls if it cannot out review a prototype that is not fully complete yet. Prototypes are allowed to have bugs and limitations.

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  4. So I just discovered this nifty little blog and I have the following comments...

    1) Jerkface your rants warm the cockles of my heart. Most, but not all of them (I am one of those lowly PC Gamers you detest!) I agree with wholeheartedly. And yet...

    2) What the fuck is up at Microsoft? Why can't Bill pull the reins in on Ballmer & Co.? Bill's not a moron. I know he's not in a "day to day" role but is he so detached he can't see the clusterfuck unfolding? Does he not have the sway to say "This shit stops now"?

    3) I had no idea PC games were as pirated as they evidently are. This displeases me greatly. I've pirated my fair share of things, so I guess I have blood (or bits) on my hands, but I've never pirated PC games.

    3a) Ironically the thing that deterred me from pirating games is the multiplayer component. A CD key is unique and games using PunkBuster can ban you for circumventing this. If your key is used twice (or more) at once the key is blacklisted and your PB GUID is banned. And if you ended up on something like PBBans or PunksBusted (if they are still around?) you can run into trouble on other games using the same software. I know less about how Valve and other games handle things...

    which brings me to...

    3b) Is this not the reality anymore? Can you defeat these sort of ban schemes or do people not just give a shit about being locked out of anti-cheat/non-cracked servers?

    3c) Why the hell are PC gamers so cheap?

    Keep up the good work, Jerkface.

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    1. Why can't Bill pull the reins in on Ballmer & Co.?

      That question has been asked many times.

      Gates doesn't care if Ballmer trashes the place. That's what it comes down to.

      Microsoft even released a canned interview to show that Gates supports Windows 8
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFDTN25qip8

      That pretty much ended any hope of him pulling Ballmer.

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    2. Hey, *I* do support Windows 8. Just not the travesty orchestrated by Sinofsky. Make a few changes, call it Windows 8.1. If they can't do that THEN they can fuck off. They better have long support for Windows 7, because I sure as hell won't switch to Linux. I'd rather become a slave of the bitten apple.

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    3. Jerkface doesn't hate pc gamers, if you look in the upper left you'll see he is giving a free ad to DayZ.

      I think he just gets annoyed by the entitlement mentality that a lot of pc gamers seem to have.

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    4. "Nifty little blog?"

      Fuck me, I've wandered into TripAdviser by mistake...

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  5. Microsoft has a hard time bringing up underdog technologies. All their upstart consumer devices have failed miserably. Zune, Kin, Surface, Windows Phone. On the server market they have made great gains against the incumbent Unix, but only because Linux is held down by the satanic GPL and the small but loud group of retards. On the server side Linux has been pretty much static for ten years. Samba is still a joke compared to SMB and CSV.

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    1. Xbox seems to be the exception to the rule. But they really got lucky that Sony had dropped the ball with the PS3. RROD would have killed them if the PS3 didn't have such a slow start.

      What annoys me about the RROD is that their early fixes were half-assed. You had to take it to a modder to get it fixed properly. Even beyond the RROD it was still poorly engineered. The damn thing sounded like a hair dryer. It's fine now but the early models were total shit.

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    2. Before that Microsoft got lucky with Sega running out of money and shutting down operations just as the original XBox was hitting the market. Furthermore Sega's market presence was right where Microsoft needed to be: US and Europe. Home turf for Sega was never Japan (with the exception of Saturn) and Microsoft would never penetrate the Japanese market.

      People were optimistic about the PS3 at first but it turned out many of those people bought it for Blu-Ray and its streaming media capabilities. XBox 360 was noticeably stronger with actual games.

      On the server, Linux has been almost entirely jailed to webserver farms and SMB appliances where the customer is unaware of the underlying platform. These days Linux advocates claim closed, commercial appliances as victories but we all know back in the day it was "Give me FOSS or give me death!" If they really wanted these kinds of successes they would have made it easy to deploy the platform rather than have to eventually admit they were outsmarted legally and technically.

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    3. They also got lucky with Nintendo making the Gamecube kiddie looking and then going after a completely different market with the Wii. There would have been no room for them had Nintendo made a console that pleased everyone.

      But supposedly the motivation behind the Xbox was to slow down Sony and keep them from putting a console in every home. Gates was paranoid that Sony would later add a mouse and keyboard and then cut into Windows profits. The funny thing is that Sony had no plans of doing this and just wanted to sell games and movies.

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    4. Early in the PS3 days Blu-ray was looking like the next Beta-Max. HD-DVD actually had more support from film companies. So you were forking over $500 for a console with a few games and a movie player that would most likely become obsolete. There were also some companies like Valve that were ignoring the PS3. But Sony lucked out and got Blu-ray accepted which made it a better buy.

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    5. But Sony lucked out and got Blu-ray accepted which made it a better buy.

      As a technical note, the reason Bluray won the "format wars" was BD+, not luck. Back then, AACS had been cracked to bits, with keys listed on Wikipedia, and MKVs containing HD-DVD rips and Bluray rips had started popping up in the pirate bay. So here comes BD+, which was supposed to be uncrackable, and with upgrade capability in case it was cracked. The studios, thinking they finally had a bullet-proof way to lock the content in the disc, dumped HDDVD in a heartbeat. Of course, some months later, Slysoft (AnyDVD) and Fengtao (DVDFab) reverse engineered BD+ too, and the new and upgraded versions of BD+ proved to be little challenge once the mechanism had been understood, but Bluray had won by then.

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  6. Xbox seems to be the exception to the rule.

    This is because the Xbox/games division is practically an independent division within the company. Which means no fucking with the product to satisfy "strategic" goals, and no touch-of-Sinofsky (or whoever Jobs-wannabe is in charge now). Can you imagine the Xbox getting Windows branding and forcing that poor iTunes knockoff that WP8 requires to load songs and video? (instead, the 360 can read directly from USB drives) Can you imagine the Live! store being used as a passive income source with no curation like the Windows store is used, which means becoming full of shovelware? Can you imagine old Xbox 360 models not being upgradeable to the latest software, and not running the games the newer 360s run? Of course not. Because the Xbox/games division is not run by a Jobs-wannabe twat.

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    1. WP8 does not need Zune. It does not even work with zune.

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    2. It has the Windows Phone App which is pretty much the same thing.

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    3. Both Xbox console and Xbox Live is under Entertainment and Devices Division, which includes Windows Phone as well:

      http://www.microsoft.com/investor/CompanyInfo/SegmentInfo/EntertainmentAndDevicesDivision/Overview.aspx

      I think there are people there in Windows division who would love to push Windows stuff onto Xbox, and I see two reasons why it has not happened yet:

      1. Xbox has very good brand establishment and market share, Xbox Live users have been steadily increasing (bringing in more revenue), unlike Windows Mobile/Windows Phone.
      2. Political force is not infinite, you spend it like money. Sinofsky somehow did not find Xbox strategic enough to invest political force on.

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    4. Neither is any other division of Microsoft, Kurks.

      But, since you don't work here (as with all of the other commenters on this blog), you'd hardly be in a position to offer an opinion, would you?

      Let's hope that "family-oriented" cushy warm seat in a Greek bank is still waiting for you.

      Because, God knows, you stand no chance whatsoever in a competitive environment that actually requires you to think for a living.

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    5. If forward looking forecasts based on the recent 3Q 2013YT Microsoft release removing deferred income. Suggests 2 Billion is going to disappear out 2014YT net profit.

      Its going to be interesting to see if Microsoft loses staff.

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    6. @DrLoser I thought we had an agreement not to respond to each other in person. Do you plan to honor it? If yes, you can make remarks about my posts sure, but do not refer to me in person. It's simple: Before you submit, read your post one more time and make sure that no words such as "kurkosdr", "kurks", "kurkos" etc exist, or any other personal-level remarks. Just quote the block of text you want to comment on, and write your remarks without any references to my username or personal-level attacks/references.

      I hope you have a basic understanding of how to behave around people, which means knowing to stop talking to someone when that someone asks you to stop talking to them.

      In a nutshell: Your obsession with personally attacking me instead of just making remarks on my posts (using quotes) is getting creepy, stop talking to me, I don't want to socialize with you. Is it so much hard to understand this reasonable demand? Creep.

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    7. Leave DrLoser alone!

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    8. Here is the non-creepy version of your post:

      Neither is any other division of Microsoft.

      But, since no commenters on this blog work here, no commenter here is in a position to offer an opinion, right?


      See? Less creepy thanks to a lack of personal insults on a public blog, much more readable for people who haven't followed our saga, and a real space-saver. Of course it doesn't give you the smug feeling you get from insulting people -behind the protection of your screen of course- but I hope your basic understanding of social rules will make you understand that you should stop doing this when a person has told you not to talk to them anymore, (emphasize "I hope", since in a month or so you will probably be here again posting nonsense like "kurks blah-blah-blah, you insults-insults-insluts")

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    9. Wow, kurkosdr, are you by any chance related to Dietrich T. Schmitz of Linux Advocates? He also recently got into a hissy fit because someone was "impolite" to him. Which was perfectly understandable, as Dietrich talked mostly crap. Almost like you.

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    10. Wow, kurkosdr, are you by any chance related to Dietrich T. Schmitz of Linux Advocates? He also recently got into a hissy fit because someone was "impolite" to him. Which was perfectly understandable, as Dietrich talked mostly crap. Almost like you.

      Doesn't change the fact that DrLoser is a creep that seems to enjoy stalking Kurkos:

      Link

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    11. Stalking dear little kurks?

      You have me wrong. I am not attracted to greasy little ignorant Greeks who fail at simple logic.

      I don't stalk Kurkos. I simply attempt to teach him the simple facts of life.

      Such as:

      1) Hanging around prostitutes is not really a nice thing to do.
      2) Pirating software is a really, really stupid thing to do if you aim to work in software.
      3) Being an ignorant little tit who cannot sustain his own argument is not really going to do you any good at a reputable university. On the other hand, and to be fair, Kurks on his own admission doesn't actually study at a university with any claim to reputation at all.

      Well, I guess it's better than being conscripted into a worthless overfunded army. (Didn't you know that that is one of Greece's dirty little fiscal secrets? After the Orthodox Church and the Shipping Loonies, of course.)

      Meh.

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    12. @Kurks:

      DrLoser I thought we had an agreement not to respond to each other in person. Do you plan to honor it?

      No, we didn't. What on earth gave you that idea, you feeb?

      And no, I'm not going to.

      Feel free to babble on this site if you want to. Post on TMR, and you're going to be toast.

      Not because of me. I will simply ignore you. But you might have noticed that there are several posters on TMR who don't exactly agree with you.

      On the other hand, there are several posters on this site who think you're a stupid little boy.

      Why do you bother?

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    13. I don't stalk Kurkos. I simply attempt to teach him the simple facts of life.

      Are you that bored?

      You sound even more creepy than all the "nigger" guys on LHB.

      Well, I guess it's better than being conscripted into a worthless overfunded army. (Didn't you know that that is one of Greece's dirty little fiscal secrets? After the Orthodox Church and the Shipping Loonies, of course.)

      And? Is Kurkos the president of Greece?

      All that constant verbal abuse towards him just because of his nationality is just low.

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    14. I don't stalk Kurkos. I simply attempt to teach him the simple facts of life.

      Thanks, but no thanks.

      (yeah sure, that's what it's all about, teaching me, it's not about hurling the same personal insults again and again -to the point it's not even funny anymore- to get a smug feeling of superiority, or you being a creep who thinks bullying people over the internet is cool).

      For a second time, do not refer to me on a personal level, I think you are a truly repulsive person and I do not want to socialize with you. Forcing a person to socialize with you using personal attacks is called bullying.

      Still think you are not a bully*? Then what about the attacks based on nationality? Are they part of your plan to teach me (again, I am not interested)? Creep.

      *the lame "hiding behind his monitor" type, not the badass type

      And no, I'm not going to.
      For a THIRD time:

      DrLoser, I think you are a truly repulsive person and I do not want to socialize with you.

      Respond to my posts using quotes if you want, but do not refer to me on a personal level.

      I will simply ignore you.
      Thank you, I guess. Hope you live up to the promise, at least here.

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    15. What's with this socializing nonsense, Kurks?

      Shall we share prostitutes?

      Maybe we can demonstrate, arm in arm, in Syntagma square against naughty immigrants who want to live the good life that all non-tax-paying pirate Greek middle class kids like you live?

      Wouldn't that be nice?

      Unfortunately, I am convinced that you are an utterly worthless and in fact dismally amoral little prick.

      Feel free to take this discussion further either here or on TMR.

      Oh, I forget.

      You're a total coward and you've promised not to spout your nonsense on TMR any more.

      Well, sod you, you little git.

      End of "stalking."

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    16. I see you decided to clear your stock of insults before you stop talking to me. Why not? It costs nothing to insult people over the internet and has no consequences, and gives you a smug sense of superiority. Unlike real life, where there is the real danger of being punched in the face. Let's say you meet in real life (for example sitting next to you at work or at the gym) a person who you consider to be as "amoral" as you think I am. Would you hurl at him personal-level insults like the ones you hurl at me here? In the same tone? Of course not. You would get puched in the face immediately. But here on the internet? No consequences, it's free, yay! Unload all your anger by pretending to "teach" people how they are "amoral", "worthless" etc even if they have never attacked you personally or even want to talk to you. The only thing they can do is push back with similar insults, which I guess is like rewarding the creep.

      Unfortunately, I am convinced that you are an utterly worthless and in fact dismally amoral little prick.
      Why do you care? How does it affect you personally? (we don't even live in the same country) Have I ever wronged you on a personal level? No. Then why do you care? I am not the first "worthless" and "amoral" person you "ll come across in your life, just pretend I don't exist. Like you do the other "worthless" and "amoral" persons you come across in your life.
      This particular fixation on me (instead of say, other "worthless" and "amoral" people you come across or will come across IRL or on the internet) is what is downright creepy, and as you can see I am not the only one who thinks that.

      End of "stalking."
      Thank you. Let this be the last thread we talk (i don't have a problem with you commenting on my posts.obviously, just don't talk to me directly)

      PS: So afraid of TMR and LHB, that's why I stopped posting there. Or it could be that I lost interest.

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    17. It costs nothing to insult people over the internet and has no consequences, and gives you a smug sense of superiority.

      Just a friendly advice: if you don't want people to call you "worthless" or "amoral", then stop parading around speaking and acting like a self-entitled man-child. You wouldn't expect people elsewhere to think of you highly with your reprehensible speeches and broken arguments, so why would you expect people on the Internet to treat you any differently in that regard?

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    18. Just a friendly advice: if you don't want people to call you "worthless" or "amoral"

      I don't have problem with people calling me "worthless" or "amoral", that is their opinion. I just don't want people to verbally attack me without having provoked them.

      For example, you didn't use any verbal or personal attacks in the post above, so I don't have a problem with it.

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    19. Just a friendly advice: if you don't want people to call you "worthless" or "amoral", then stop parading around speaking and acting like a self-entitled man-child. You wouldn't expect people elsewhere to think of you highly with your reprehensible speeches and broken arguments, so why would you expect people on the Internet to treat you any differently in that regard?

      Doesn't change the fact that loser is a sicko. I don't agree with Kurkos on some things too, but I won't go harassing him just because of this.

      Loser is a nutter. He's behaviors is one of the worst I've ever seen on the internet. Worse than those mass-trolling events even. Those twats are usually weak minded teens and tweens swayed by group dynamic, but here we have a grown man harassing someone personally over the course of months (years?) now. And for what? I simply attempt to teach him the simple facts of life. Yuck. Sure, Kurkos may have posted some stupid things - I can remember Kurkos posted something about immigrants in Greece that I thought was stupid - but no less stupid than Loser's passive-aggressive remarks that we are all upset about Windows 8 just because of Sinofky's religious background; something that almost no one here even knew about before Loser, the mega-hypocrite, had to bring it up multiple times.

      But in 99% of the time Kurkos is pretty much on topic: W8, WP, game piracy etc. I don't get much yucky vibes from him, in opposite to loser. Every time I read one of his tantrums towards Kurkos I get the feeling that someone should checkout his basement, to see whether he has a cellar-family locked up there.

      If at least the insults would have any merits. But no, the majority of them can be summed up in one word: "Greece".

      For the life of me I can't understand what his obsession is with that. I could maybe understand Loser's huge amount of Kleenex-usage if Kurkos would hail from some truly hyper-exotic place, like Pitcairn Islands or something, but Greece? What's so exciting about having the nationality of a European country with 11 Million citizens?

      Maybe the reason Loser is so obsessed with stalking Kurkos is because it helps him relieve some wet experiences he had at the gay bars in Piraeus that he's still so in love with.

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    20. Well, Kurks. You shouldn't take Loser's Greece-fetish personal. He just seems to hate everyone. Or at least he likes to pretend that.

      I can remember a few years ago there was a post on LHB with a link to a weird fringe of a forum consisting of real-life German Stalinists. They had threads about stuff like "the great achievements of North Korea" etc. They also had a thread about praising Linux and FOSS.

      Most commenters on LHB just posted the usual "freetards, lol" stuff, except for Loser. He unloaded a barrage of passive-aggressive posts bashing all Germans as a whole and just couldn't stop with it. Using the same formula of passive-aggressive anecdotes like against you with Greece, just replace Piraeus with Hamburg. People were already telling him to shut up already. That was before LHB turned into a cesspit, so postings of this kind stood out.

      You see, Loser is just crazy guy. Barely above OhioHam, or maybe even more nutty, just with a different method to express it. Don't take it too serious.

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    21. oiaohm does not attempt to recruit others to-do his dirty work. Dr Loser does use TM repository to recurit others to-do his dirty work.

      That Exploit Guy is one of those recruits.

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    22. Get lost Ham, but, before you do, take note that Monco probably outranks DrLoser in the org, perhaps massively.

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    23. As far as I understand it, Loser is a engineer at Bing.

      Do shills rank above engineers?

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    24. DrLoser on TMR:

      And, to be fair, Kurkos is now their new hero — even though they’ve spent about six months despising him — just because he stood up to me.

      Good on the misogynistic ignorant racially prejudiced privileged middle-class kid!


      Man, that guy has a fetish with Kurkos. Even if Kurks is an ass, so what, they are tons of asses on the net. Loser himself is a supreme wanker.

      It's still creepy wasting so much time harassing some guy you don't agree with to "teach him a lesson".

      By the way Loser, if Kurkos got flamed here it was mostly because of his piracy stories etc., and not because he's from Greece, your main "insult".

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    25. As far as I understand it, Loser is a engineer at Bing.

      He's a contractor, not an employee, or at least he was just a contractor, last he talked about it.

      Do shills rank above engineers?

      Probably, there's a transcript of a talk made by some top level shill at MS, explaining the ropes to junior shills; he makes it clear that they have the ear of the management; unfortunately, I read it quite a long time ago and I'm having problems googling for it.

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    26. Most commenters on LHB just posted the usual "freetards, lol" stuff, except for Loser. He unloaded a barrage of passive-aggressive posts bashing all Germans as a whole and just couldn't stop with it. Using the same formula of passive-aggressive anecdotes like against you with Greece, just replace Piraeus with Hamburg. People were already telling him to shut up already. That was before LHB turned into a cesspit, so postings of this kind stood out.

      You are insane. I did not.

      Link, please.

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    27. Probably, there's a transcript of a talk made by some top level shill at MS, explaining the ropes to junior shills; he makes it clear that they have the ear of the management; unfortunately, I read it quite a long time ago and I'm having problems googling for it.

      Oh well, that's fine by me.

      I'm always prepared to give unquestioning credence to a nutter on the Internet who has temporarily mislaid his links.

      Are you any better at finding matching socks?

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    28. You are insane. I did not.

      That was a few years ago on LHB. Since no search engine works in the nested blogger comments, that would mean searching around on LHB for over a day, maybe even longer.

      Anyway, you posted some passive-aggressive BS in that vein. It wasn't as creepy as your Greek stuff though, gotta admit that.

      Anyway, what's the matter Loser? I am just curious - was that encounter in the gay bar in Piraeus not mutual between both parties? That's why you need to unload your trauma on some random sob on the internet who happens to be Greek by accident?

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    29. I'm always prepared to give unquestioning credence to a nutter on the Internet who has temporarily mislaid his links.

      Hey look, if you're trying to get people to search for some random document for you, perhaps it isn't the best strategy to insult them in the same sentence.

      Come to think of it, maybe you shouldn't post here while drunk at all.

      Just some helpful advice, brah.

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    30. Anyway, you posted some passive-aggressive BS in that vein. It wasn't as creepy as your Greek stuff though, gotta admit that.

      You missed out the bit where I sodomized Elvis on the dark side of the moon. Must admit, it was a lot more fun than I thought it would be.

      You have no fucking evidence and you are a disgusting little lying prick. Let's be honest about this.

      You could actually have posted that I sodomized Elvis on the dark side of the moon (which I admit. I am not proud, and apparently Elvis was slightly disappointed).

      But no.

      You choose to come out with unsubstantiated gibberish, complete with some weak "the dog ate my links" bollocks.

      For shame. For shame.

      Now.

      Just bog off. As it happens, my second mother is/was German-American. Two of my best friends at college were German. At present, I work with several Germans.

      Know what? All of them could be tossers like you. (They are emphatically not.)

      And it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference, because within the borders of the German Republic (just to simplify this and to avoid Transsylvania and such) there are 80 million Germans.

      I am going to go on record and state that I enjoy their company, favour their beer, admire their technical excellence (Munich notwithstanding), and generally get on very well with them.

      What the fuck are you on about?

      Without proof, you have nothing.

      Not even a functioning brain cell.

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    31. Our Doc is quick to anger. Hilarious outburst.

      I really wonder how's he in real life. Given his volatile outbursts on the net, one could think he's a regular in real life police stations.

      OK, maybe my memory is a bit foggy and your remarks were more harmless than I remember, in any case I am not going scour LHB for days to find your quote, you nutter.

      If you happy, we can agree that it was just a misunderstanding and you only hate the Greeks.

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    32. Loser is a nutter. He's behaviors is one of the worst I've ever seen on the internet.


      Agreed. Hamster comes across as having autism and too much free time but I don't get any creepy vibes from him.

      but no less stupid than Loser's passive-aggressive remarks that we are all upset about Windows 8 just because of Sinofky's religious background

      Wtf? I didn't know he had a religion, I kind of assumed he was an atheist who worshiped his own farts.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U

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  7. Dell deserves to be smacked for going along with the Sinofsky plan. The feedback on the Windows 8 blog was there for everyone to see, only the deluded fanboys are surprised by this disaster.

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    1. Dell should shut down the company and sell the stock back to the shareholders

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    2. ...and give money back to the shareholders.

      They literally are trying to do that, but it'll cost them, internal buyouts are usually the beginning of the end.

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    3. He's making a joke

      http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-203937.html

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    4. Indeed, but his joke turned into reality when it came to his own company.

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    5. Realty is the punchline

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    6. Dell should shut down the company and sell the stock back to the shareholders

      LOL

      Written from my Dell laptop.

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  8. So Paul Thurrott says "senior management" overruled the Windows team and is insisting on bringing back the Start button & boot to desktop. Fleeting signs of sanity? Is Ballmer shitting his pants?

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    1. "Senior management" will have to order the return to normal UI and cancel this nasty flat piece of shit that infected the whole of Windows, before any improvement can happen.

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    2. So Paul Thurrott says "senior management" overruled the Windows team and is insisting on bringing back the Start button & boot to desktop.

      Link?

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    3. OK, found the link myself:

      http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/maybe-they-should-just-call-it-windows-78

      Mary Jo Foley has reported on Microsoft’s plans to bring back the Start button and allow customers to boot directly to the desktop in Windows 8.1 And I’ve separately confirmed that this is really happening, with the Start button, in particular, driven by upper management, which overruled objections from the Windows team.

      So, all the Sinofsky bashing apparently had merit? Was W8 not so much a "plan" but a hipster gone amok?

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    4. Oh, sanity creeps in but it goes slow:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_TwAdeMwlc&feature=player_embedded

      View at 18:40. Apparently only the start button, without the start menu will come back..

      Also at around 21:00 Thurrott mentions that only the "business versions" will get this.

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    5. So, all the Sinofsky bashing apparently had merit? Was W8 not so much a "plan" but a hipster gone amok?

      It was both. The plan was to turn Microsoft into Apple by letting a Jobsian type savior (who was really a fraud) enforce his "vision" on just about every part of the company.

      But it seems there are still Metrotards in the Windows division that still believe in his plans.

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    6. Why does Thurrott always look like he got butt raped the night before?

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  9. "Some Microsoft watchers seem downright enthusiastic that the [Windows division’s revenue] numbers were flat. After all, the earlier PC shipment estimates indicated they could have been much worse!

    That’s ridiculous.

    The (revenue) numbers were flat year-to-year even though Microsoft put a major new version of Windows on the market. In what universe is that good or even decent news?

    I had a sense this is exactly what we’d see today. There are some other variables, like pre-existing OEM deals and enterprise volume licensing, that are masking what is pretty obvious: Windows 8 is a total nightmare. I doubt even the shiniest gloss will cover that up next quarter."

    "As for the glaring omission — you know, actual sales numbers, [Mary Jo] Foley:

    I’m curious when and if Microsoft provides a new update on number of Window 8 licenses sold. Maybe that will happen at Computex or TechEd North America — both happening the first week of June this year? In any case, today’s silence on this front is … interesting."

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  10. "Charles Arthur explains this well in plain English:

    "Despite the brave top-line numbers, Microsoft’s Windows business is actually hurting. Surface isn’t contributing much yet, traditional PC sales are sliding, it doesn’t have a tablet competitor yet (though Klein said clearly that it will have a “smaller” competitor – aka a rival to the iPad mini – soon enough), and the only thing really keeping everyone smiling is upgrades from businesses facing the wall of XP’s end of life."

    All of this is masking the inevitable.

    Though I do have to give props to Microsoft for putting the Surface hardware under the Windows Division. Devices obviously generate far more revenue than software. And even though sales haven’t been great, this is a pretty good bottom-line mask. For now."

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  11. "It seems highly likely that Microsoft is planning a big Windows 8 U-turn, and that the release of Windows 8.1 — also known as Windows Blue — will allow users to bypass the much-hated Start Screen and also bring back the much-loved Start button."

    [...]

    "It's clear that Microsoft considered Windows 8 to be risky. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer characterized it as just that back in October 2010. This is clear evidence that Microsoft had doubts about how the operating system would be received by the PC driving masses. If Microsoft thought that Windows 8 could be risky, then it is likely that the company had a plan B."

    [...]

    "Many PC OEMs are dissatisfied with what Microsoft has done with Windows 8 and the way the company has handled the negative response to the operating system. Privately, one OEM source told me that Microsoft is "destroying" the PC industry, while another claimed that Windows 8 has "handed over millions of customers to Apple."

    Other OEMs are making their displeasure known publicly. Both Lenovo and Samsung have released Start button replacements for Windows 8."

    [...]

    "One of the primary reasons why Microsoft wanted to bypass the desktop and throw Windows 8 users into the confusing hell stew that is the Start Screen is to give apps a higher level of visibility.

    But if Microsoft is planning to give users the ability to bypass the Start Screen, this is going to mean fewer eyeballs on apps. This could have a detrimental knock-on effect on app sales.

    Will developers be interested in developing apps for Windows 8 if the focus of attention is shifted from the Start Screen to the desktop?"

    [...]

    "There is a palpable lack of trust surrounding Windows 8. While some consumers have embraced the changes the operating system has brought with it, others remain wary. It's a similar situation to that which clouded Windows Vista.

    Can Windows 8.1 regain the trust that Windows 8 has eroded away? If it can then it could give the PC industry a reprieve. If not, it will be another — possibly final — nail in the coffin of the PC."

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  12. Why did MS come about with Windows 8, a touch-centric OS selling mainly on non-touch systems? And will in succeed?

    1. If we divide consumer devices into (a) touch smartphones (b) (touch-enabled) tablets and (c) non-touch PCs, MS basically saw non-touch PCs as dying. Whether or not this is true, is this a good way of representing the consumer market? I think Apple would more likely see things as (a) rising consumer-centric devices like iPhones, iPads, iPods etc. and (b) falling devices primarily for more creative people, such as Macs: harder to learn, but more flexible. Touch might be the most important determinant on how to class devices, perhaps ease of use is more important. No one is suggesting that the new xbox should be all about touch, but there is an expectation that it will be easy to use.

    2. So MS wanted to encourage people to go to Windows tablets with Windows 8. But not by making them so compelling, that people would want to use a tablet over a non-touch PC. But by forcing them to do so. Because that is the traditional operating mode of MS. Like making the MS Office formats so flaky that you had to use MS Office to open them reliably. Again, MS may be confusing touch with being consumer-centric, with Win8 being harder to use than Win7.

    3. So given the MS predictions for non-touch PCs, and their standard business practices, Windows 8 made a lot of sense. Or did it? What they are perhaps forgetting is that with rising Apple and Google they had a lot less weight they could throw around. Perhaps the biggest lesson from Windows 8 is that MS have yet to learn that times have changed. All their patents they hold could merely change them into huge patent trolls, rather than them continuing as dominant industry figures.

    4. So far their plan seems to have failed. They might have sold a lot of Win8 licenses, but few of them are for touch devices. And they have alienated a large proportion of Windows users, who now have viable alternatives, especially with touch devices. The MS resentment may no longer have to be repressed, because MS are becoming less necessary.

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  13. There should not be a "logging in to website" process to copy contacts from my Outlook address book to my Windows Phone when I have it plugged in with a USB cable. I don't use outlook.com, I have a work email ON A FUCKING EXCHANGE SERVER THAT YOU FUCKING SOLD US. But NuMicrosoft wants to be Apple and thinks that creating commercials with Jessica Alba is more important than local Office syncing.

    Oh well, Windows Phone keeps failing:

    http://www.osnews.com/story/26959/Nokia_s_quarterly_results_paint_a_dreary_picture_for_Windows_Phone

    How is the Apple envy working out for MS?

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  14. The man behind metro:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57578246-75/meet-the-design-guru-trying-to-make-windows-phone-relevant/

    Shum is a new breed of Microsoftie, a creative type that the company needs as it works to win over consumers that have learned to crave great design. As it competes against the slick styling and increasingly seamless experiences created Apple, Amazon, and Samsung, Microsoft has tried to shift away from a culture where programming chops often trump design flourishes. Shum believes he needs to help weave more "right-brained" creative thinking to a "left-brained" engineering culture

    *gag*

    More Appe-envy.

    Former Nike designer Albert Shum joined Microsoft five years ago ... Born in Hong Kong, Shum, 46, moved with his family to Winnipeg, Manitoba

    So many freetardisms here.

    "This isn't about skeuomorphism," Shum said. "It's about shifting the paradigm" away from those representations of physical objects to cleaner, crisper graphics.

    For Microsoft to have any success with Windows Phone, that's key. Shum and his colleagues realize that to win over smartphone customers, they can't simply produce an operating system that's merely a better version of what rivals are already making.


    Producing a better version of something already there was pretty much always Microsoft's success story.

    "We have a very clear point of view," Shum said. "We're very clear about that."

    Get a life, hipster. Seriously. All that NuMicrosoft hip-shit is just puke-inducing.

    Most people hate metro, fact. And really, transportation signs? An underground station or airport aren't exactly places that evoke feelings of joy in most people. Why did they think this iconography would be loved is beyond me.

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  15. Oh guys you need to read the recent TMR stream to get the full dose of Loser nerdrage.

    http://tmrepository.com/stream/

    They are butthurt in a big way.

    Loser:

    True, Jerkface used to rail against the Linux desktop (and occasionally still does), for whatever reason. But that’s a very different thing from being anti-freetard: it’s just a specific set of complaints, presumably personally motivated. (And there’s nothing wrong with that.)

    The site does, however, seem to be attracting an increasing number of Apple fanboys (as TEG notes), a Hamster of no fixed wheel, and at least one obvious pro-freetard commenter (the one I quoted).

    Apparently popularity comes with a harsh price attached.


    If the metrotards behave way worse than the freetards.. what's the point still being so "anti-freetard" when there's a far more obnoxious group in computing now? Loser sounds like a cultist here.

    Another gem:

    Well, Jerkface has clearly never heard of “use cases.”

    MS Boss: “We need to work out how people will copy their contact list from Outlook.”
    MS Business Analyst: “Well, Outlook is first and foremost for the Enterprise. I image most people would want a secure process.”
    MS Boss: “Sounds good. Anything else?”
    MS BA: “Let’s see. How about a web service? That fits the paradigm.”
    MS Boss: “Excellent. Anything we’ve missed?”
    MS BA: “No, that covers 99.9% of know usage scenarios. Except …”
    MS Boss: “Except?”
    MS BA: “Apparently there’s this one total dipstick in the Pacific North West who wants to use Active Sync over a USB cable…”
    MS Boss: “Screw him. How often do you need to sync up your contact list, anyway?”
    MS BA: “In his case, hundreds of times a day. It’s about the only thing he ever does. Oh, that and publishing a highly-regarded and influential MS-bashing blog.”


    Epitome of NuMicrosoft. That's probably how they really think indeed. As I said, you guys need to read the TMR stream. There's an extreme amount of butthurt over Jerkface's latest post. It really irked them.


    The TMR admin chimes in:
    The self-professed “power users” rarely are what they claim to be. They’re just control freaks who are afraid of change. They complained when Windows explorer replaced the file manager in 95. They complained when XP came out and introduced the blue skin. They’re complaining now because they have to learn a UI paradigm they’re already fully used to on their phones. “What’s wrong with the close button?”

    Total bullcrap, as said many many times here before. W95 allowed booting straight into DOS, you had the option to run the old progman and winfile, XP offered besides Luna the classic look.. etc.

    This time there is no such option. Guess why.

    they have to learn a UI paradigm they’re already fully used to on their phones

    Uh, what? Didn't he notice that WP lingers around 2%? Most people don't use frigging metro. And even if... "learn mobile UI paradigm to navigate a desktop OS".. yep, makes so much sense.

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    1. The recent "order by senior management" must have really shaked these guys.

      ExploitMonco writes:

      That’s because Microsoft is so arrogant they spent millions of dollars on research and marketing for the thing.

      Hang on… Wouldn’t “arrogance” be rather not spending a dime on any of those and expecting a good outcome?

      Also, what does “arrogance” have anything to do with the quality of a product?

      I am sorry, the logic there either has evaded me or simply doesn’t exist, and I am suspecting the latter being the case.


      The link in "arrogant" leads to this site:

      http://tabtimes.com/analysis/ittech-os-windows/2012/12/07/microsoft-astonishing-windows-8-boondoggle

      There is not a single word about any MS research on users here (quite the opposite actually, it bashes W8).

      So, they reached the "make stuff up and link to random crap I didn't even read" - phase. Just like their freetard predecessors.

      Good going. Metrotards operate in dog years. Freetards needed decades to get to the same level of obnoxiousness that the metrotards achieved in just 18 months.

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    2. Metrotards operate in dog years. Freetards needed decades to get to the same level of obnoxiousness that the metrotards achieved in just 18 months.

      Oh, and yeah, I am aware of the Linux newsgroups in the 90s. But back then, until 1999/2000, it was just contained to these little parlors of theirs.

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    3. So, they reached the "make stuff up and link to random crap I didn't even read" - phase. Just like their freetard predecessors.

      That's Monco's Modus Operandi, he (and all other paid "opinion managers") knows that most people don't follow links, or if they do, they'll just skim through the page; posting links makes one appear to have "well founded" arguments - it's a manipulation technique.

      Never forget, JoeMonco (Flying Toaster, That Exploit Guy) is a professional and he knows how to play the game.

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    4. The site does, however, seem to be attracting an increasing number of Apple fanboys

      LOL, where are they? What, is he talking about Kurkos again, or is it about our MacFagGuy?

      and at least one obvious pro-freetard commenter

      Again, where is he?

      Apparently popularity comes with a harsh price attached.

      The only problem I see is little Hammie and he's only a problem in so far as he is making stuff up and couldn't write a coherent sentence to save his life.

      Monco is nearly the same, except he actually writes in English, so one must guess that TMR "paid a harsh price" for his complete obscurity.

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    5. They’re just control freaks who are afraid of change.

      Perhaps one could make an argument, showing we're control freaks (to some extent), but I am hardly afraid of change; I was among the first to embrace Win95, Luna, the Ribbon and Win7; in each of those cases I pulled others along with me, arguing in favour of changes from a perspective of the user.

      Metro, on the other hand, is a revolting and absurd reduction in UI quality of Windows, that leaves me with no option other than flat out rejecting it; I should note that I gave it a fair shot; I used it myself to the point where it was clear beyond any doubt, that the thing is as useless as it is ugly.

      I'm not going to cheer for something that has no future; users aren't crazy, you can't lie to them and I certainly won't let MS drag me down with them as they sink.

      They complained when Windows explorer replaced the file manager in 95.

      No, I praised Win95, one of my main points was Windows Explorer.

      They complained when XP came out and introduced the blue skin.

      No, I praised Luna up and down and defended XP against haters; besides, you could always turn it off, as I repeated so many times.

      They’re complaining now because they have to learn a UI paradigm they’re already fully used to on their phones.

      Re-learning is always a problem that should be avoided if at all possible; Win7 requires some of it, but you are rewarded with incredible improvements such as the jumplist, or other, older, Vista introduced features, such as improved search and so on.

      Metro, however, is a reduction of functionality, coupled with a reduction of usability (because of reduced "skeuomorphicity"); even if it didn't require re-learning, it would not be an acceptable solution. As it stands, it's a massive problem, there really is no angle where Metro could be seen as anything but a reduction of quality and increase of costs.

      “What’s wrong with the close button?”

      Yes, what is wrong with the close button; do tell, TMR.

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    6. they have to learn a UI paradigm they’re already fully used to on their phones

      As was said before, by many others (Gruber, MG Siegler, and many posters here as well, myself included), the new phone paradigm uses a simplified MacOS/Windows desktop environment, where you get a normal desktop (with mini-windows on Android) with normal icons and normal program UI, just without external window borders, since windows are always fullscreen and all program UI elements are nearly identical to their desktop counterparts.

      The new phone UI paradigm is almost exactly the same as the old desktop paradigm, with minor simplifications.

      But what about Metro, is it the same as well? No. It shuns normal UI elements, such as borders, gradients, highlights, window areas, clearly depicted icons, clearly depicted buttons; but to mock the user some more, it also relies on mystery meat navigation, where you have to guess (or know before hand) that some functionality exist as it is only available by performing "magic rituals" since no buttons exist that would tell of the capability or offer access.

      True, iPhone also has some such workflow elements, but they are rare (actually, it's just push-to-scroll and pinch-to-zoom) and have been extremely well presented by Apple and the press; for everything else, there's always a button (and yes, it's a fully skeuomorphic, highly recognisable, button).

      Metro tries to take gestures to the extreme and tries to reduce the available UI, this is clearly a mistake and it is in opposite of what Apple (or Google) did. Even if MS, erroneously, expected that they could do the exact opposite of what all others did, they should have backed away after WP7 completely failed in 2011 and after the extremely bad reception of W8 DP after Build/2011.

      Not only do we not use a "Metro-like" paradigm on our phones, it's the other way around, our phones use the "desktop-like" paradigm from the PC and Mac, that's why they are so successful, that's why they are called smartphones, because they work like the PC.

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    7. Microsoft employees are mad at Jerkface and Anonymous for calling this bullshit from the beginning.

      No surprise there and I bet at least a quarter of Anonymous here is composed of MS employees that didn't buy into Sinofsky.

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    8. If Ballmer decides to revert everything in Win8, how will TMR respond?

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    9. The site does, however, seem to be attracting an increasing number of Apple fanboys

      That quote comes across as thought-police. "You shall only use MS!"

      I know that lots of them are actually MS employees, but even then..

      I have never bought a single Apple product in my life and even I am sickened by the TMR attitude. If Techbroil would be full of crazed metrotards, they would be all cool with it. No matter how inane the pro W8 argument would have been.

      Actually, Apple is the far more logical choice for the vast majority of existing Windows users if Microsoft stays course with metro. OS X is far more Windows 7 than the metro portion of W8 is.

      So why should I be hostile towards Apple?! Apple continues to offer the product that Microsoft seems want to abandon.

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    10. Linsuxoid on TMR stream:

      And Jerkface is an idiot. Somehow “IT guys” at my job managed to allow both WP7 and WP8 (among others) to synchronize with internal Exchange server. Contact, emails, calendars – everything. Wirelessly or wired – doesn’t matter as long as you are on intranet.

      And guess what, all WinMo devices did do ActiveSync over USB – that was a major killer feature and none of competition without this feature ever stood a chance. Oh, wait.


      Man, the Apple envy is oozing from every body orifice here. Note the hate these tards (TMR, Neowin) often have for WinMobile and XP. Products that came from the sanest times of Microsoft really enrage these wannabe-hipsters.

      Guess what Linsuxie, metrofied Windows Phone is the failed product here, not the "lame active-syncing" WinMo. That thing had more marketshare than WP probably ever will, and was actually able to compete with its competition of the day. And as you may have noticed, the current hot stuff, Android and IOS, are UI-wise far more resembling Windows Mobile than WP.

      And Windows Phone still has not even frigging VPN, even the consumerified iPhone has it. The "failed" WinMo had it ten years ago. Fabulous job with WP, morons.

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    11. If Ballmer decides to revert everything in Win8, how will TMR respond?

      The leaked Windows Blue builds certainly do not suggest this being a likely possibility.

      Also, rumours of the next version of Windows bringing back the start button is based on none other than extrapolation of one line of code (which has nothing to do whatsoever with the start button itself) by a number of bloggers. That certainly does not seem to be very credible to me.

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    12. I have never bought a single Apple product in my life and even I am sickened by the TMR attitude.

      I never bought them either, but at least I have used them (and not by choice). Have you?

      Actually, Apple is the far more logical choice for the vast majority of existing Windows users if Microsoft stays course with metro.

      Interesting. You mean the vast majority of users should abandon their Windows-only applications (and reinvest on rest) for the sake of a UI change? And onto a platform that features traffic lights on every window (that has nothing to do with traffic)?

      Sound argument you have got there.

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    13. Interesting. You mean the vast majority of users should abandon their Windows-only applications (and reinvest on rest) for the sake of a UI change?

      Microsoft's goal seems to be to get rid of the desktop entirely. If that happens you either need to use a third-party emulator on metro-windows (if that would even work, given the severe limitations of WinRT) or desktop applications would be hosted in Microsoft's own emulator-like environment inside metro. I guess such environment would be severely crippled - like no drag-drop between other desktop applications, only one main window visible etc... just like the other metro victims. Maybe there will be some sort of Azure solution (virtualized Windows in browser), but then you are depended on a always-on internet connection and you need to pay up monthly fees.

      Given this future, it makes more sense making a switch to Mac and use VMware with W7 or Parallels Desktop there for Windows applications. It would be more comfortable than metrofied Windows for sure. Mac also has native versions of quite many Windows applications (like the Adobe suite).

      Of course, right now, W8 with Start8 is the better choice. But if Microsoft marches on with metro, Mac with Windows virtualization will be the better choice in the future.

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    14. And onto a platform that features traffic lights on every window (that has nothing to do with traffic)?

      L.O.L.

      So this would be far more confusing for most existing Windows users than this?

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    15. Microsoft's goal seems to be to get rid of the desktop entirely

      Interesting hypothesis.

      But nothing more.

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    16. So this would be far more confusing for most existing Windows users than this?

      So your "metric" for how much a UI confuses "Windows users" is essentially how much it superficially resembles the Windows desktop. Well, who cares how it actually works anyway?

      Nice mentioning of VMware Fusion, though.

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    17. So your "metric" for how much a UI confuses "Windows users" is essentially how much it superficially resembles the Windows desktop. Well, who cares how it actually works anyway?

      Are you implying here that Metro UI works similar to classic Windows? That the W7 desktop resembles metro more in look AND feel than OSX?

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    18. look AND feel

      Meant "look AND/OR feel"

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    19. Are you implying here that Metro UI works similar to classic Windows?

      Funny, I think it was you, not me, trying to assert likeness as a relevant point.

      And you are still asserting it.

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    20. Funny, I think it was you, not me, trying to assert likeness as a relevant point.

      Ah, nice move to shift discussion after being called to explain your BS assertion how metro works similar to desktop Windows.

      At first you wanted to imply that it even looks similar - your claim that OSX' traffic lights would be more foreign to most Windows users than Metro UI.

      Nice derailing, taunting and dumb-playing. You're really talented at this job. Too bad your task is defending the W8 dud, that's why you're sliding. Given a better subject you would be a lot harder to out-maneuver.

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    21. At first you wanted to imply that it even looks similar - your claim that OSX' traffic lights would be more foreign to most Windows users than Metro UI.


      The "traffic lights" are what those in business call a "broken metaphor". I even mentioned that a few day ago here.

      Also, bath salts are really, really bad for you.

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    22. Somehow “IT guys” at my job managed to allow both WP7 and WP8 (among others) to synchronize with internal Exchange server. Contact, emails, calendars – everything. Wirelessly or wired – doesn’t matter as long as you are on intranet.

      What makes you think he has access the server? Or that the company policy allows personal devices to connect directly?

      But more importantly Android can do it and I'm really sick of hearing excuses for Windows Phone when a lot of us have been asking for features that were in Windows Mobile years ago.

      http://www.android-sync.com/features/

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    23. It's actually the "IT guys" that were asking WinMo features like USB sync and VPN support. I guess that means we're all idiots according to the employees over at The Microsoft Recroom.

      Microsoft professionals of all types were ignored when they developed Windows Phone. Well how did that work out for you?

      But I guess Microsoft employees still want to believe that Jerkface is the problem and not the chimperor in charge. Whatever guys, Windows shops are adopting Android and it's too late for Microsoft to pull a 180. Stabbing WinMo and SL developers in the back, ignoring business requests, wtf happened to this company?

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    24. Apple envy, cargo cult mentality (if we just act like Apple - as they perceive them - we'll be as successful as they are) and incredible arrogance and hubris.

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    25. Of course, right now, W8 with Start8 is the better choice. But if Microsoft marches on with metro, Mac with Windows virtualization will be the better choice in the future.

      Yup, that makes perfect sense.

      If you're a divot.

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    26. If Techbroil would be full of crazed metrotards, they would be all cool with it. No matter how inane the pro W8 argument would have been.

      Proof> Links? Indications?

      Yer an ignorant slob, aintcha?

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    27. Drunk, or just angry, or just a drunk, angry nerd?

      Delete
  16. ExploitMonco writes

    I always find it amusing that some people think by associating one poster to another they can somehow give their poorly constructed arguments more oomph. But whatever.

    The link in "arrogant" leads to this site

    Which contains the following statement:

    Microsoft is one of those arrogant tech companies that believes it should succeed just because it put a lot of work into a product and throws a lot of money behind it.

    There is not a single word about any MS research on users here (quite the opposite actually, it bashes W8).

    So are you suggesting that MS did not do any research because a blogger on the Internet didn't mention it.

    And you think that's sound logic.

    By the way, nice little circle-jerk you have got here.

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    1. Microsoft is one of those arrogant tech companies that believes it should succeed just because it put a lot of work into a product and throws a lot of money behind it.

      Still no word about any research, as you have noted just yourself:

      So are you suggesting that MS did not do any research because a blogger on the Internet didn't mention it.

      You are the one who linked to that site in the first place.

      And now you're trying to refute your own link..

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    2. By the way, nice little circle-jerk you have got here.

      LOL. So sayeth a TMR regular.

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    3. LOL. So sayeth a TMR regular.

      So you mean all those times I didn't not in fact confront other regulars in regards to the site itself as well as other subjects?

      Or perhaps are you just upset that no one there took a fancy to your poorly substantiated argument?

      No offense, but I tend to take the latter being a good thing.

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    4. So you mean all those times I didn't not in fact confront other regulars in regards to the site itself as well as other subjects?

      Lulz, whenever others don't want to circle jerk with you, you lash out at them and start insulting anyone and everyone, it's incredible that others still tolerate you, but I guess TMR has no choice, since no one visits his site and DrLoser would be forced to talk with himself without you.

      One could say you're a vampire, Monco, exploiting others for both your personal entertainment and your astroturfing job assignment.

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    5. Lulz, whenever others don't want to circle jerk with you, you lash out at them and start insulting anyone and everyone

      You mean like the time I opposed the banning of Ed? Or the time I pointed out Pogson being a dead horse ready for the glue factory?

      I am nevertheless impress by your ability to sling mud at your target so effortlessly. Makes me wonder if that's part of your, you know, "professional skills".

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    6. You like keeping Adam ("Ed" being his latest username on TMR) around, he's an easy target and stupid enough to keep coming back for more abuse; in effect, he is a part of your circle jerk, albeit unwittingly.

      You like to abuse Adam ("whm1974") on ArsTechnica's Battlefront as well, but Horatio keeps locking his threads, taking away your play-doll, I'm sure it bothers you.

      As was said, you abuse others for your own pleasure and profit.

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    7. Profit?

      Are you insane, man, or do you just play a lunatic on TV?

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    8. He makes a living as a shill, his abuse of Adam isn't just for pleasure, he also makes money from it.

      But you're probably right, he's may be just another underpaid third world "worker" toiling away at some astroturfing services provider.

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    9. Never criticize circle-jerkers.

      At least they're having sex with people they love.

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    10. In case of Monco it isn't a "circle-jerk," he's having his hand up your ass and you're taking it without complaints.

      Stop it, you'll feel better.

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  17. Still no word about any research, as you have noted just yourself

    And your point being?

    You are the one who linked to that site in the first place.

    And now you're trying to refute your own link..


    I am refuting it? How?

    Please explain.

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    1. I am refuting it? How?

      Ahem: So are you suggesting that MS did not do any research because a blogger on the Internet didn't mention it.

      The blogger you have linked yourself to.

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  18. The blogger you have linked yourself to.

    "Arrogant".

    Yeah, yeah, I know you want to convince all six billon people on earth that MS did not do any research for Windows 8, but that's quite besides the point, isn't it?

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  19. "The leaked Windows Blue builds certainly do not suggest this being a likely possibility."

    While I think it'll take a long while before Ballmer puts his fist down and gets rid of Metro, I do have to wonder about this comment; is Monco insane, incompetent or is he just trolling for the lulz?

    Why do I ask that? Because we all know that early builds don't show the final UI, early builds of W8, for example, had no trace of Metro, it only became visible (or was only implemented) after Build/2011 conference.

    "Also, rumours of the next version of Windows bringing back the start button is based on none other than extrapolation of one line of code"

    No, the rumours are based on the fact that nearly everyone wants Aero and good old desktop back; so they're looking for signs pointing to that. It's perfectly possible that MS isn't going to listen to its own users... yet, but the longer they wait, the longer Apple and Google have to get a Windows competitor going (an affordable Mac, a desktop Android or a cloud-less ChromePC).

    "I never bought [Macs] either, but at least I have used them (and not by choice). Have you?"

    Just so you guys know, Monco is an Apple hater; now, is that a formal, corporate shilling-policy stance, or a personal bigotry issue, that is the question here.

    That statement is also an ugly attempt at simultaneously dismissing others while inflating one's own supposed knowledge, Monco shows he's got years of experience at shilling.

    "Interesting. You mean the vast majority of users should abandon their Windows-only applications (and reinvest on rest) for the sake of a UI change?"

    I bet Microsoft really hopes that users never realise that they can run their "Windows-only" apps on a Mac. What will they do, when Mac usage goes up and Parallels/VMware becomes a household name and suddenly no one thinks they need MS or Windows anymore, well, we'll see, won't we.

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    1. I bet Microsoft really hopes that users never realise that they can buy an iMac for only slightly short of a thousand quid. Sorry -- a cursory search only. There are probably better deals out there.

      I'll bet there are hundreds of thousands of slavering customers, hugely disappointed with the demise of the Windows desktop, out there right now. Yes, they're queuing around the block, nay, around the outer ring road for this little peach.

      Oh, wait ...

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    2. That's the exact same argument Balmer made when iPhone launched, I guess he didn't see the price drop coming.

      I guess MS still can't spot price drops coming.

      No problem, they'll just adjust and adapt when necessary, just like they did with the Zune and WinMo- ... oh, wait.

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    3. If the ceilingis $1000, then I believe that M$ can cope.

      Just checked out their quarterly figures. Oh, the humanity!

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  20. Woohoo, we stirred the hornet's nest and out came a vile Monco-bee trying to sting anyone that he can see.

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  21. While I think it'll take a long while before Ballmer puts his fist down and gets rid of Metro

    Again, more hypotheses.

    Interesting but lacking substance.

    No, the rumours are based on the fact that nearly everyone wants Aero and good old desktop back; so they're looking for signs pointing to that.

    Microsoft's Windows 8 Plan B(lue): Bring back the Start button, boot to desktop

    Windows 8.1 will include boot to desktop option to bypass 'Metro' interface

    You want more? There are plenty more blogs and forums pointing the exact same source, and I am beginning to get tired of reading them.

    That statement is also an ugly attempt at simultaneously dismissing others while inflating one's own supposed knowledge, Monco shows he's got years of experience at shilling.

    Interesting insinuation. So are you asserting that knowledge in Apple products is something so esoteric that only a privileged few can access?

    I bet Microsoft really hopes that users never realise that they can run their "Windows-only" apps on a Mac.

    This is getting more amusing by the minute.

    Of course you can use VMware Fusion.

    Of course you can use Parallels Desktop.

    Heck, use VirtualBox for all I care.

    But you know what you need on top of those things in order to run your Windows app?

    Windows.

    "No one thinks they need MS or Windows anymore", indeed.

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    1. "You want more? There are plenty more blogs and forums pointing the exact same source, and I am beginning to get tired of reading them."

      Your links are meaningless, since the actual source is besides the point; let me re-iterate:

      No, the rumours are based on the fact that nearly everyone wants Aero and good old desktop back; so they're looking for signs pointing to that.

      "So are you asserting that knowledge in Apple products is something so esoteric that only a privileged few can access?"

      That was your assertion, Monco; remember, you've gone around questioning others if they ever used a Mac - that question presupposes that a Mac is somehow esoteric and unavailable to most people.

      You Microsofties really hope that no one can afford a Mac, don't you; god forbid Apple ever made them more affordable, the skies would fall down on Redmond.

      "But you know what you need on top of those things in order to run your Windows app? Windows."

      Everyone already has a "Windows" Monco; virtual machines already offer to make a VM from an existing installed system. If people switch to a Mac, then they do not need to buy an OS from Microsoft, nor do they need Windows to actually act as an operating system, it's just needed as a legacy applications support layer.

      So yes, the term "no one thinks they need MS or Windows anymore," is exactly correct in such a scenario; as long as you consider Windows to be a for-profit product that MS sells and earns money from and/or as long as you consider Windows to be an OS.

      If by Windows you mean a free-for-use, legacy applications support layer - you know, something more along the lines of what Wine wants to be - then your argument would have merit. But... does Microsoft consider Windows to be a free product, do tell Monco, do you guys intend to give Windows away?

      Naah, don't worry, nobody would take W8, even if it came for free.

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    2. You want more? There are plenty more blogs and forums pointing the exact same source, and I am beginning to get tired of reading them.

      Thurrott says they will bring boot-to-desktop and start button back (but no start menu, yet):

      link

      And it’s going to let you boot to the desktop, bypassing the loathed new Start screen, too. I’ve confirmed these rumors with my own sources, as has my Windows Weekly co-host Mary Jo Foley, so I think we can move this one into the “fact” category, though of course details about how these changes will be implemented remain foggy. I do find it interesting that Microsoft CFO Peter Klein, while not explicitly acknowledging the changes, did oddly admit that the company update to Windows 8—called Windows 8.1 and code-named “Blue”—will include changes guided by “customer feedback.” I’m of two minds regarding this news. On the one hand, I’m glad Microsoft is finally listening to customers, many of whom have been very clear that Windows 8 as currently implemented isn't hugely interesting to them because of its too-radical design change. But on the other hand, what the heck, Microsoft? What took so damned long? The past six years—the Sinofsky regime, basically—are most obviously marked (to me, at least) by the Windows division’s abject disinterest in customer feedback. No, not disinterest. Disdain. And I really do hope that’s changing. This is a black mark that the company, and Windows, will find it hard to recover from.

      Paul Thurrott is usually very reliable with his info. Be careful Toaster, maybe you weren't just briefed yet.

      Gets me thinking - if MS really brings some parts of the W7 GUI back, and Monco denies it here.. is Monco even a shill then? He would be actually going against corporate decisions.

      Maybe his performance is all just "for the lulz" indeed? If yes, he's crazy. A reverse OhioHam.

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    3. I'm wondering if Metrotards are going to tell us that forcing less Metro in Windows 8 is the right decision even though they have been telling us that there is nothing wrong with it.

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    4. That was your assertion, Monco; remember, you've gone around questioning others if they ever used a Mac

      Not that it matters when I say that. I am supposed to be the "Microsoftie" here, remember? Is it the job of some supposedly free-spirited non-Apple customer/"h8ter" fighting for the good and just (while selling the Apple brand as hard as possible) to tell me exactly what those Apple products are and how they work?

      You Microsofties really hope that no one can afford a Mac, don't you; god forbid Apple ever made them more affordable, the skies would fall down on Redmond.

      It's not as much "hope" as simply what's written on the price tag.

      $1000 for an 11" MacBook Air? Sounds good to me.

      Good luck managing your Windows VMs in that tiny storage space, though.

      Everyone already has a "Windows" Monco; virtual machines already offer to make a VM from an existing installed system.

      You sure are an aficionado of the hypotheticals, aren't you?

      Putting aside the obvious issue of physical-to-virtual migration with OEM/builder/home licenses, you are assuming that Windows-only applications will somehow become "legacy" (i.e. no longer updated) because, you know, because.

      This, of course, also implies that the mass migrating from Windows to OSX is actually happening instead of being a mere figment of your own imagination.

      I am sorry, but there is only that much crazy I can process before my head goes numb.

      Paul Thurrott is usually very reliable with his info.

      Care to point me to these "own sources" that Thurrott mentioned?

      Of course, by that I don't mean the one-line code cited by Mary Jo Foley (or any other click-bait, for that matter).

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    5. Is it the job of some supposedly free-spirited non-Apple customer/"h8ter" fighting for the good and just (while selling the Apple brand as hard as possible)

      Shut up toaster. I don't even like Apple much, but given Microsoft's crazy course you chose the lesser evil.

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    6. the lesser evil.

      Which you have yet to show as being the case.

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    7. "Not that it matters when I say that. I am supposed to be the "Microsoftie" here, remember?"

      So? It seems only natural that you would try to present Macs as obscure and unknown, so I was entirely correct when I challenged your attempt at questioning others' knowledge about Macs.

      "Is it the job..."

      Nobody has a "job" here, except for you. Must be nasty, working over the weekend, do they at least pay you well enough for all your astroturfing? Or are you a wage slave?

      "...to tell me exactly what those Apple products are and how they work?"

      Nobody's telling you "exactly," or even in any way, "what Apple products there are," or "how they work."

      It's telling how allergic you Microsofties are to any competition, when you consider any mentioning of your competitors as a form of advertising. I suppose no one should talk about anything but Microsoft's products, right?

      Or were you just trying to off-handedly insult and smear those who, for some reason, still talk to you?

      "It's not as much "hope" as simply what's written on the price tag."

      And what if it changes? God forbid, right, but what if God won't forbid an affordable Mac? What will MS do then?

      "$1000 for an 11" MacBook Air? Sounds good to me."

      Where I live, you can get an entry level MacBook Pro at that price, or, alternatively, for €100 a month; it's still quite expensive, but stores could easily double (or even quadruple - as they have, with Windows laptops) repayment time. An entry level MacBook Pro could be available for €25 a month, a mid-to-high range Retina MacBook (or higher end iMac) could be available for about €35 a month.

      If stores (and Apple) decide to offer extended payment periods, reducing Mac prices (as perceived by customers) what do you think most customers would say? "Sounds good to me," perhaps?

      "Good luck managing your Windows VMs in that tiny storage space, though."

      Ha, ha, ha, ahh, good one Monco; but last time I checked, Macs had terabytes of storage, with easy expansion, just like PCs (rejoice, Monco, and know that Macs sport these things called "USB ports," incredible isn't it, that they would dare to have the same abilities as PCs...)

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    8. "Putting aside the obvious issue of physical-to-virtual migration with OEM/builder/home [Windows] licenses"

      Non-issue for home consumers, perhaps they'll need to "chew WGA" or use a "loader," but at the end, they'll be able to use their OS as they see fit. You would do well to realise that home users have their asses covered by fair use (which covers casual piracy, surprise!) and the non-enforceability of EULAs.

      "You sure are an aficionado of the hypotheticals [...] you are assuming that Windows-only applications will somehow become "legacy" (i.e. no longer updated) because, you know, because."

      Nearly all applications that I own are non-updated, "legacy" apps, I either don't need newer versions (while older versions get no support), or they simply don't exist, since their producers don't make them any more, or, in some cases, the companies themselves don't exist any longer.

      Also, I have yet to see a normal user that would give two shits about updating apps.

      But it goes far beyond mere apps, with WindowsXP reaching end-of-life, as far as support is considered, one of the most popular pieces of software becomes "legacy" next year, and you come here telling us that these are "hypotethicals," really, Monco.

      "This, of course, also implies that the mass migrating from Windows to OSX is actually happening instead of being a mere figment of your own imagination."

      You're the one making the claim that it is already "happening," the rest of us are simply noticing that users will migrate, if Windows continues to be an ugly and useless piece of shit, but none of us is seeing any hurry; you are, Monco, it's the fear in you, the fear of failure, that is talking in your head, painting everything you see as a mortal threat.

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    9. Tensions must be running really high in Redmond, for our Monco to come back here and attack like an angry cat.

      BTW, Joe, I thought Indians considered cats to bring bad luck, are you trying to jinx yourself?

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    10. It seems only natural that you would try to present Macs as obscure and unknown, so I was entirely correct when I challenged your attempt at questioning others' knowledge about Macs.

      Yeah, it also seems only natural that you were raised in a barn.

      Seriously, does this drivel even constitute an argument?

      Nobody has a "job" here, except for you. Must be nasty, working over the weekend, do they at least pay you well enough for all your astroturfing? Or are you a wage slave?

      Steve Ballmer writes good cheques, actually, but I just happen to need that extra money to buy women and booze.

      Particularly booze. I like booze.

      It's telling how allergic you Microsofties are to any competition, when you consider any mentioning of your competitors as a form of advertising.

      Says the guy who won't stop calling me an astroturfer.

      What will MS do then?

      Oh, you got me there.

      But, hang on - why should I care?

      Where I live, you can get an entry level MacBook Pro at that price, or, alternatively, for €100 a month

      Holy molly, you mean several easy payments of €100? Should I order now? Will I get a complementary book-light if I order before midnight?

      The reason I cited the price of the 11" MacBook Air was that it was the cheapest on the website. Tell me all about "€100 a month" when Apple starts offering laptops at the $300-$500 range (or, failing that, $500-$1000).

      rejoice, Monco, and know that Macs sport these things called "USB ports," incredible isn't it, that they would dare to have the same abilities as PCs...

      Are you suggesting people to run VMs from USB hard drives? Well, at least I have to admit that's indeed an inventive idea (though not terribly realistic).

      Non-issue for home consumers, perhaps they'll need to "chew WGA" or use a "loader," but at the end, they'll be able to use their OS as they see fit.

      Or, in other words, they need to risk using hacks that may or may not work.

      You would do well to realise that home users have their asses covered by fair use

      I assume you are talking about the EU.

      On an American website.

      To a person that lives in neither.

      Nice work, there.

      But it goes far beyond mere apps, with WindowsXP reaching end-of-life, as far as support is considered, one of the most popular pieces of software becomes "legacy" next year, and you come here telling us that these are "hypotethicals," really, Monco.

      Doesn't Windows 7 has this thing called an "XP mode"? Is Windows 7 also supported by MS until 2020?

      Oh, by the way, did you check out Dell's catalog and see what they sell to "business" customers?

      Nearly all applications that I own are non-updated, "legacy" apps, I either don't need newer versions (while older versions get no support), or they simply don't exist, since their producers don't make them any more, or, in some cases, the companies themselves don't exist any longer.

      Testimonies: the most respectable, reliable of all evidence and applicable to every other scenario and individual.

      Am I right or what?

      You're the one making the claim that it is already "happening," the rest of us are simply noticing that users will migrate.

      As it stands, those who don't mind Windows 8 goes for Windows 8. Those who don't want change stays with Windows 7.

      "Will" is nothing more than an indefinite term.

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    11. I thought Indians considered cats to bring bad luck, are you trying to jinx yourself

      Note to self: never feed stray cats at the call centre.

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    12. Probably a good idea. I once had a cat called Mr Jinx.

      Got splatted by a car.

      Some things are too awful to contemplate.

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    13. "Steve Ballmer writes good cheques, actually, but I just happen to need that extra money to buy women and booze."

      Admitting-in-joke are we, it's a rather good strategy of defense, you've yielded as far as conversation goes, but only in joking; you're bloody good at manipulating Monco, I'll give you that.

      "Says the guy who won't stop calling me an astroturfer."

      You've already shown your cards, Monco, and your employer. You may not like it, but whining about it won't change a thing.

      "But, hang on - why should I care?"

      Because your employer will, at some point, seek to remove non-essential workforce, or do you shills see yourself as central to MS' success? Wait... why am I even asking.

      "Holy molly, you mean several easy payments of €100?"

      The price was cited as costly, the point was, that it could easily drop down to €25, should Apple and retailers choose to.

      "The reason I cited the price of the 11" MacBook Air was that it was the cheapest on the website."

      You saw it on some website? Awesome, keep watching.

      "Tell me all about "€100 a month" when Apple starts offering laptops at the $300-$500 range"

      Why? And what difference would it make? A customer only cares about the upfront payment, if any, and monthly payments, not the numbers of months needed.

      Did you ever notice how iPhones "cost nothing" and how everyone simply accepts that? Once monthly payments fall low enough, cost disappears as a factor, as has been shown by the iPhone.

      "Are you suggesting people to run VMs from USB hard drives? Well, at least I have to admit that's indeed an inventive idea (though not terribly realistic)."

      What, you somehow don't understand the concept of adding additional hard drives? Or do you only use the HD that came with your PC?

      "Or, in other words, they need to risk using hacks that may or may not work."

      Going with the "computer virus" scare technique, are we? Monco please, software piracy is at 90% in most of the world, 50% in US (according to BSA); most users are extremely well aware of both how to use anti-DRM measures and what methods work best.

      "Doesn't Windows 7 has this thing called an "XP mode"?"

      No, it doesn't actually, but if you're going to download and install a VM, so-called "XP Mode" (a bastardised Virtual PC) is probably the worst choice, both VMware Workstation and Oracle Virtual Box are way better.

      "Is Windows 7 also supported by MS until 2020?"

      It's 2015, Monco, and you know it, mainstream support is what matters to consumers.

      "Oh, by the way, did you check out Dell's catalog and see what they sell to "business" customers?"

      Who cares about them (either Dell, or these "business customers")? Why would they matter, they'll only switch to Apple years after home users do, and they'll only do so after their employees finally force them to (and Dell, heh, they don't even want to be a PC OEM, apparently).

      "As it stands, those who don't mind Windows 8 goes for Windows 8. Those who don't want change stays with Windows 7."

      So? Most users simply won't buy a new computer, they'll either wait (bad for OEMs and, ultimately, MS) or buy a Mac.

      The idea that MS can weather the storm because users have Win7 is ridiculous in light of the fact that users simply don't install (or upgrade/downgrade) operating systems; while MS can survive, OEMs cannot.

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    14. It's 2015, Monco, and you know it, mainstream support is what matters to consumers.

      Don't agree here. Most care only about the patches, and those are coming indeed until 2020.

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    15. They may get really angry when MS' own (newer) applications stop supporting Win7.

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    16. Admitting-in-joke are we, it's a rather good strategy of defense, you've yielded as far as conversation goes, but only in joking; you're bloody good at manipulating Monco, I'll give you that.

      At this point I can no longer discern if you are being serious or is just parodying the majority of posters here. Whoever wrote this could not possibly see himself as being serious, could he?

      Why? And what difference would it make? A customer only cares about the upfront payment, if any, and monthly payments, not the numbers of months needed.

      You mean a customer with no clue about managing expenses properly?

      Did you ever notice how iPhones "cost nothing" and how everyone simply accepts that?

      Did you, however, notice that what people actual sign up for is a *service* contract to keep their phones connected? I supposed you are well aware that a phone is useless without a carrier, right?

      The price was cited as costly, the point was, that it could easily drop down to €25, should Apple and retailers choose to.

      And I can totally imagine someone repaying for 3-5 years for a computer. There is certainly nothing ridiculous about that at all.

      You saw it on some website? Awesome, keep watching.


      Of course, Apple's official website is "some" website. Why wouldn't it?

      Going with the "computer virus" scare technique, are we? Monco please, software piracy is at 90% in most of the world, 50% in US (according to BSA);

      Which, as everyone with a sane mind can gather, includes every piece of software circulating in the US.

      Are you seriously trying to extrapolate this value to Windows in specific?

      most users are extremely well aware of both how to use anti-DRM measures and what methods work best.

      Even if we were to use your value and apply it specifically to Windows, that's still not "most" we are talking about here.

      And a crack is still a crack.

      VMware Workstation and Oracle Virtual Box are way better.

      Have you actually tried running the XP image on either?

      Oh, yeah... Just download a crack from who-knows-where an everything will be fine.

      Kiddie.

      Why would they matter, they'll only switch to Apple years after home users do, and they'll only do so after their employees finally force them to (and Dell, heh, they don't even want to be a PC OEM, apparently).

      This is it.

      There is no way you can be serious with this argument.

      I bow to you - the master of comedy; for I ain't worthy in your sight.

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    17. Have you actually tried running the XP image on either?

      VMware Player is able to run the XP mode image without any hacks. There is even a official option in the software for it.

      It does indeed run better than the Virtual PC component that ships with "XP Mode".

      I had to make a audio recording software work under XPM; playback stuttered and other nasties. Worked flawlessy under VMware Player.

      XP under VMware can also even run games, forget that with XPM.

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    18. Monco, you seem to fail to understand that we actually don't want to go to Apple!

      You idiots are forcing us to look for alternatives by destroying Windows with the metro crap.

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    19. Yeah, XP Mode is a fucking disaster.

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    20. You idiots are forcing us to look for alternatives by destroying Windows with the metro crap.

      Let's just try to be sensible for once. I'll accept that we are idiots, for the purposes of this argument. I'll accept that we are destroying Windows, for the purposes of this argument. I will accept that Metro/Modern is crap, for the purposes of this argument.

      But, you know what? We're not "forcing" you to do anything, even assuming all that.

      I'd encourage you to check out a Mac. I hear good things about it from my friends. I'd even encourage you to check out any variety of the Linux desktop you choose.

      Y'all can hide behind this "shill" nonsense, but honestly it doesn't bother me. I make precisely 0¢ either way.

      If it doesn't work for you, then that's fine. Just use Windows 7 until whenever it is (2018 or something?) and please set light to your own farts.

      It will save random passers-by from the stink.

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    21. @Dr Loser

      So not only are you and other Metrotards denying that Metro is terrible and it's killing Windows(and has already killed Windows Phone), now you're encouraging everybody who doesn't like Metro to check out Linux or OS X.

      Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

      It's funny how you keep attacking "the haters", when actually, nobody hates Microsoft more than Metrotards.

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    22. Have you actually tried running the XP image on either?

      Oh, yeah... Just download a crack from who-knows-where an everything will be fine.

      Kiddie.


      Wow, is this guy a Poe? This is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements uttered on this site, and that includes oiaohm's ramblings.

      XP Mode doesn't officially (without the type of unsupported modifications being dismissed here) support greater than 16-bit color mode. Some applications will refuse to run in 16-bit color mode or will operate strangely.

      XP Mode doesn't take advantage of hardly any of the virtualization options offered by modern CPUs and GPUs and is noticeably sluggish either due to that or due to inefficient programming in general. VirtualBox is significantly better and that's half-freetarded. Why'd they buy VirtualPC again? That seemed like waste of money at the time and ten years later the decision doesn't seem any more sound.

      XP Mode is a 4/10 solution. It would be superlative only if alternatives didn't exist and if the year were 2003. The only reason it's used is that installing it is the only way to get the image. Microsoft should have set up the same download system but offered a choice of VMs for VMware, VirtualBox, or VirtualPC.

      Oh, and before entering another snarky, ignorant reply, That Exploit Guy, VirtualBox can use the image created by VMware Player. No "cracks" needed.

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    23. Oh, and before entering another snarky, ignorant reply, That Exploit Guy, VirtualBox can use the image created by VMware Player. No "cracks" needed.

      I'll repeat this again: have you actually tried running the XP mode image in VirtualBox? I am 100% confident that the answer is "no" because the first problem you'll bump into (as I have) is Windows XP asking to be reactivated.

      Either that, or you are evading the fact that you simply can't do that without a crack.

      Some applications will refuse to run in 16-bit color mode or will operate strangely.

      You mean games.

      I can hardly imagine someone running some version of Photoshop from a by-gone era or having some bookkeeping software throwing a hissy fit at them because it can't show the user enough colour.

      XP Mode doesn't take advantage of hardly any of the virtualization options offered by modern CPUs and GPUs

      XP mode originally could not run without HAV, so right off the bat you have already got your facts completely backwards.

      Also, GPU? Do you mean VT-d/IOMMU? The only GPU virtualisation technologies available at this point are for the server space, and no one needs that stuff for their desktops or laptops.

      and is noticeably sluggish either due to that or due to inefficient programming in general.

      Disregarding the fact that you are completely ignorant of its hardware requirements (among other things) and thus have severe credibility issues with commenting on its performance characteristics, what matters here is whether people can get their work done. On one hand, you deride the start screen because it deviate oh-so-much from the start button, but on the other hand, you have no problem recommending people to use all kinds of hacks to get Windows running inside a VM for all the wrong reasons. Seriously, what drug are you on?

      VirtualBox is significantly better and that's half-freetarded. Why'd they buy VirtualPC again?

      Ignore how ghastly VirtualBox actually is (especially with graphics): between "performance" and "working", guess which option will I choose?

      Kiddie.

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    24. I'll repeat this again: have you actually tried running the XP mode image in VirtualBox? I am 100% confident that the answer is "no" because the first problem you'll bump into (as I have) is Windows XP asking to be reactivated.

      I am not the original poster you replied too. You're right here though- the XPM image needs to be activated under VirtualBox. But it works flawlessly under VMware Player without any hacks, and officially supported by VMWare.

      I can hardly imagine someone running some version of Photoshop from a by-gone era or having some bookkeeping software throwing a hissy fit at them because it can't show the user enough colour.

      But that's exactly one of the main reasons why XPM is used.

      XP mode originally could not run without HAV, so right off the bat you have already got your facts completely backwards.

      Also, GPU? Do you mean VT-d/IOMMU? The only GPU virtualisation technologies available at this point are for the server space, and no one needs that stuff for their desktops or laptops.


      Whatever, fact is that both VMware Player and VirtualBox are significantly faster than XPM. I tried to run Office 2003 on the XP Mode Virtual PC, it was PITA. Lags of several seconds length between keystrokes. No such problems under VMware Player.

      On one hand, you deride the start screen because it deviate oh-so-much from the start button, but on the other hand, you have no problem recommending people to use all kinds of hacks to get Windows running inside a VM for all the wrong reasons. Seriously, what drug are you on?

      Running OSX and keep using Windows software through Parallels or VMware Fusion is a lot less confusing for existing users than Microsoft's "dream future" of an all-metrofied Windows and some emulator for Win32 inside it. Given the quality of XP Mode, I don't think such built-in emulator would be any good even.

      If you guys would stop molesting Windows, there would be no need for all this.

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  22. Paul Thurrott is usually very reliable with his info. Be careful Toaster, maybe you weren't just briefed yet.

    When both MJF and Thurrott say it is coming then it most likely is.

    Everyone seems to forget that Ballmer is the dictator. Microsoft is not a democracy and it doesn't matter if every single person in WinDiv wants Windows 8 to remain unchanged. Ballmer gets the final say and he would fire all of WinDiv and every Metrotard working extra hours in forums to protect his job if needed.

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  23. is Monco even a shill then? He would be actually going against corporate decisions.

    Monco will shill according to the current corporate party line; he'll change tune when and if he gets new orders, you guys forget that he's just another employee, being a shill does not give him privileged access to "senior management."

    Maybe his performance is all just "for the lulz" indeed? If yes, he's crazy. A reverse OhioHam.

    Actually, it's quite possible that all shills are at least a bit crazy, remember, they have to manage multiple personalities across multiple boards and they are expected to constantly post under their profile names - even if they are not actively shilling, simply to keep their personality "alive" and "dynamic," so as to appear as usual posters, when they do have to promote their company/corporate customer - after all the constant pretending, manipulating and lying, it would be incredible if they remained completely sane.

    It's even possible, that you have to be crazy in the first place, to get a job as a shill.

    Bottom line is, Monco's apparent ignorance and crazy behaviour is, if anything, a complementary (not contradictory) state of being a hired mouth-piece.

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    1. Actually, it's quite possible that all shills are at least a bit crazy, remember, they have to manage multiple personalities across multiple boards and they are expected to constantly post under their profile names - even if they are not actively shilling, simply to keep their personality "alive" and "dynamic," so as to appear as usual posters, when they do have to promote their company/corporate customer - after all the constant pretending, manipulating and lying, it would be incredible if they remained completely sane.

      That sounds like a great idea for a book.

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    2. Yeah.

      "How I learned to project my own fantasies on people I have never met, nor am I likely to."

      Add in sado-masochism, tech ignorance, and a bit of girlie wannabe blood-sucked, and you're got a boffo hit right there.

      Except that the combination sounds a lot like the Linux Desktop to me ... 1% and still going nowhere.

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  24. Perhaps one could make an argument, showing we're control freaks (to some extent), but I am hardly afraid of change; I was among the first to embrace Win95, Luna, the Ribbon and Win7; in each of those cases I pulled others along with me, arguing in favour of changes from a perspective of the user.

    Metro, on the other hand, is a revolting and absurd reduction in UI quality of Windows, that leaves me with no option other than flat out rejecting it; I should note that I gave it a fair shot; I used it myself to the point where it was clear beyond any doubt, that the thing is as useless as it is ugly.

    I'm not going to cheer for something that has no future; users aren't crazy, you can't lie to them and I certainly won't let MS drag me down with them as they sink.


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    Re-learning is always a problem that should be avoided if at all possible; Win7 requires some of it, but you are rewarded with incredible improvements such as the jumplist, or other, older, Vista introduced features, such as improved search and so on.

    Metro, however, is a reduction of functionality, coupled with a reduction of usability (because of reduced "skeuomorphicity"); even if it didn't require re-learning, it would not be an acceptable solution. As it stands, it's a massive problem, there really is no angle where Metro could be seen as anything but a reduction of quality and increase of costs.


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    Great comments ^^^^

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  25. As was said before, by many others (Gruber, MG Siegler, and many posters here as well, myself included), the new phone paradigm uses a simplified MacOS/Windows desktop environment, where you get a normal desktop (with mini-windows on Android) with normal icons and normal program UI, just without external window borders, since windows are always fullscreen and all program UI elements are nearly identical to their desktop counterparts.

    The new phone UI paradigm is almost exactly the same as the old desktop paradigm, with minor simplifications.

    But what about Metro, is it the same as well? No. It shuns normal UI elements, such as borders, gradients, highlights, window areas, clearly depicted icons, clearly depicted buttons; but to mock the user some more, it also relies on mystery meat navigation, where you have to guess (or know before hand) that some functionality exist as it is only available by performing "magic rituals" since no buttons exist that would tell of the capability or offer access.

    True, iPhone also has some such workflow elements, but they are rare (actually, it's just push-to-scroll and pinch-to-zoom) and have been extremely well presented by Apple and the press; for everything else, there's always a button (and yes, it's a fully skeuomorphic, highly recognisable, button).

    Metro tries to take gestures to the extreme and tries to reduce the available UI, this is clearly a mistake and it is in opposite of what Apple (or Google) did. Even if MS, erroneously, expected that they could do the exact opposite of what all others did, they should have backed away after WP7 completely failed in 2011 and after the extremely bad reception of W8 DP after Build/2011.

    Not only do we not use a "Metro-like" paradigm on our phones, it's the other way around, our phones use the "desktop-like" paradigm from the PC and Mac, that's why they are so successful, that's why they are called smartphones, because they work like the PC.



    Best Metro criticism ever. Bravo, Sir, bravo.

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  26. News on TMR:

    Wow, you’re right. This “obscure little blog” (to paraphrase one of the idiots) definitely seems to have struck a nerve over at Jerkface. I’d encourage anybody here to make an anodyne comment, with a TM attached, just to watch the NerdRage™ — thanks, Fewt! — erupt.

    It’s always interesting to watch a small puddle of introverted nitwits scream when an alternative point of view is presented.

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    1. Hahahahahahaha ..... ahahahahaha .... hahaha .....

      ahhhh....

      Oh, the irony, sweet, delicious irony.

      Metrotards are a never ending source of entertainment.

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    2. Glad to be of service.

      Have you considered stabbing yourself in the thigh with an Exacto-Knife?

      I am not in that particular crowd, but I understand that it's very popular amongst a certain sort of person. You might very well fit the bill.

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    3. Have you considered stabbing yourself in the thigh with an Exacto-Knife?

      Angry nerd wants to stab a man he disagrees with on the internet, he cant, so he asks the guy to stab himself instead, hilarity ensues.

      News at 11.

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    4. There was no hilarity.

      Am disappoint.

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  27. I think Windows Phone 8 will actually be sunk by Windows 8 unless they start making changes to W8.

    Word is out that W8 stinks so why bother with the mobile version? Especially when so and so uses Android and likes it? That is how the public will think.

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    1. No, really, this was the "hammer?"

      Redmond trembles in the face of Thor.


      WTF? Oh yeah, if you cant answer criticism come back with something bizarre I guess...

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    2. Or I could gtry to respond to the right bit of the thread, clicking the correct button as I go.

      Obviously you are using the hopeless "Metro" interface. The only other conclusion I can come to is that you have no clue whatsoever, which would be wrong.

      Oh, wait ...

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    3. Or I could gtry to respond to the right bit of the thread, clicking the correct button as I go.

      I hate blogger comment system. I love the insults though, but maybe I should lay off ;)

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  28. This was the "hammer," Jerk-boy?

    Jeez. Either you need to go looking for more interesting nails, or you need a whole new lexicon for your code-words.

    Pretty embarrassing and pointless, all-in-all.

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    1. Lost all arguments, falls back to insults?

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    2. This was the "hammer," Jerk-boy?

      Even though it's such a short sentence, Loser has the awesome ability to come off as the greatest ass bar none even with such few words.

      His attitude is nastier than rotten.com.

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    3. No, really, this was the "hammer?"

      Redmond trembles in the face of Thor.

      What fucking attitude? You want attitude? My personal belief is that Jerkface has gone off the rails into some sort of hopefully temporary madness.

      Numbskulls like you? Yeah, I have an attitude about that. I do not tolerate utter unqualified stupidity. It's the same reason I do not tolerate the Linux desktop.

      Fuck you if you can't take that 'tude. And take your rotten corn with you, hayseed.

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    4. Is it just me or is this DrLoser fellow the one of the pathetic trolls ever?

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    5. He's drunk and angry and he wants a flame war; this happens when Pogson bans regular posters, DrLoser being one of them.

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    6. At least it's very entertaining. I am laughing my ass off here.

      Loser is such a nasty nut, just great.

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    7. He tries, man, he really does.

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    8. Loser is still mad that we were right about Windows 8 and Sinofsky while he was trying to do damage control.

      He was telling us to "give it a chance" and seemed upset that we were toying with Sinofsky on the Windows 8 blog.

      Jerkface is probably the #1 hater but he's just saying what most of us in the IT world are thinking. We gave Microsoft plenty of fair warning and they didn't listen.

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    9. In the Neowin 8-tard world, I like the constant flip-flopping cognitive dissonance of saying that the haters are an obscure 1% minority and that Windows 8 is failing because of the haters' negative press.

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  29. "Now, Microsoft could revive Windows 7 sales, or make Aero Windows 8.x's interface, but from everything we can see about Windows 8.1, aka Blue, that's not what they're doing. Instead, Microsoft seems to be doubling down on Metro.

    Idiots.

    You think the least they could do is give users a choice between a real Aero interface and Metro, but no, they won't do that. I don't know what it is, but lately, UI "experts" seem to want to create interfaces that only appeal to their builders and not to any of their users. It's not just Microsoft with Aero. In Linux, GNOME made similar blunders with its 3.x line and many former Ubuntu Linux users think Canonical went on the wrong track with Unity."

    [...]

    "It looks like Microsoft is betting all its chips on the silly notion that Metro will be the one true interface for its entire PC and device line. There's only one little problem with this idea. Sorry, but I have to say it again, look at the numbers: Metro-interface operating systems have already failed.

    Fewer people than with any previous edition of Windows want Windows 8. Vista actually looks successful when you compare it to Windows 8! As for tablets and smartphones, I think my ComputerWorld colleague Preston Gralla summed it up nicely in his analysis of ABI Research's report on 2013's tablet market: "Windows tablets don't even rate a blip in the $64 billion tablet market."

    So, what do the numbers show? Not what do you want them to show, and not what would your faith in Microsoft would have you believe, but what do they actually add up to? The sum is that Microsoft is failing to hold on to the desktop market and that it has no impact whatsoever on smartphones and tablets.

    Windows 8 may not just be a failure in and of itself. Unless Microsoft changes course, this may be the end of the Windows domination period in end-using computing. Indeed, some major financial firms, such as Goldman Sachs and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB), already believe that Windows has crested and that it's all downhill from here."


    Woe be unto Microsoft when SJVN nails it:

    look at the numbers: Metro-interface operating systems have already failed.

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    1. Thanks to W8 SJVN made quite a turn-around.

      Back in the days he would have NEVER criticized Linux in any way. But here he bashed GNOME and Ubuntu fairly.

      I guess the same cosmic event that caused Microsoft getting metrotarded, is doing the opposite to some freetards.

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    2. SVJN made a successful change in tactics without compromising his "morality": instead of praising Linux and pretending it is adequate for end users, he's moved to making accurate complaints about what Microsoft is doing wrong. I'm not sure if he realizes the difference in his mind, but there's a vast difference in information quality between his current articles and the ones from a few years ago. Previously, he was like a Pogson that got paid to write basically the same stuff.

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    3. SJVN knows that Android has sealed the future of the Linux desktop which is why is he now honest about Gnome and Unity. They're just nerd toys to pass the time until Android devices are useful enough as desktop computers.

      SJVN may have been a Linux shill for many years but he has been dead on about Windows 8. He's a lot more coy than he lets on.

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  30. That's Monco's Modus Operandi, he (and all other paid "opinion managers") knows that most people don't follow links, or if they do, they'll just skim through the page; posting links makes one appear to have "well founded" arguments - it's a manipulation technique.

    Oh, is it?

    Splendid.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a random guess. Joe/Toaster/TEG has never once accepted a buck from M$ for "shilling."

    What are you all, fucking maniacs?

    That Exploit Guy tells it as he sees it. I don't necessarily like it either, as you'd know if you followed our arguments on TMR.

    But what he doesn't fucking do is to dissemble.

    IMHO, dissembling is all you lot know how to do.

    A decent conversation is entirely beyond you.

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    1. On more than one occasion, someone from the "TMR clan" has used the "I hope he doesn't read my link" or "I hope he doesn't actually look up this argument" tactic. Besides being dishonest, it's lazy. TMR guys seem to use the "have you actually used technology X?" argument. Usually said argument is done as a semi-snarky method to discredit the other party wrt products in which is he is personally unfamiliar, but in these cases, I think you guys are actually testing the waters for lazy, totally unresearched arguments. "Well, if he doesn't know what this is then I can say anything and look smart!"

      As seen above, TEG is totally ignorant about XP Mode, but that doesn't stop him from arrogantly making assertions about it. But he got into trouble because there are multiple people here who use VMs on a regular basis and have done the legwork. A few minutes on Google would have avoided the situation. Lazy. Dishonest.

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    2. I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a random guess. Joe/Toaster/TEG has never once accepted a buck from M$ for "shilling."

      Joe Monco (aka Flying Toaster, aka That Exploit Guy) obviously isn't an engineer, he has a rather weak grasp of things, which I noticed not only when he engaged me, but also when he got his ass handed to him by multiple posters who could be bothered by pointing out his bullshit (even Linsuxoid was among them).

      You've been there, you've seen it happen.

      And yet Monco keeps his "I know more than you do" attitude and attempts to steer the flow of conversation in a direction most benefiting for MS (surprise, surprise,). Nobody outside of professional, heh, "opinion managers" would bother, not for so long and not with such zeal and determination.

      He also doesn't care about freetards or pirates, he just cares about any threat to MS; if he were a programmer, his attitudes would be similar to yours or Jerkface' , but he's not, he's here to smear anyone criticizing MS and attack any competition, that's his job. His implicit self-portrayal as an IT expert is simply the role he plays, he could just as well pretend to be a lawyer (I, and you as well, saw him pretend he can give legal advice, after all) or any other type of expert as needed by his employers.

      Don't forget, he isn't necessarily a part of MS, he could be working for an external third party providing "shills-as-a-service."

      That Exploit Guy tells it as he sees it. I don't necessarily like it either, as you'd know if you followed our arguments on TMR.

      It's incredible that you still tolerate his abuse, you'll notice Olderman had enough of his attacks and shameless MS promotion (the recent attempt to present Virtual Box as a problem was blatantly transparent, even Adam saw through that) a while ago.

      But what he doesn't fucking do is to dissemble.

      "Dissemble:

      To put on a false appearance : conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense."

      I'm sorry Doctor, but, that is more or less all that Monco does, there is nothing real about him, and, if MS started selling their own Linux distro tomorrow he would turn around and start to attack "linux haters community" he was (pretending to be) a part of just a moment before.

      -----------------------------------

      I would suggest that you distance yourself from the idiot, you've got your own blog and I'm sure Olderman and others would be glad to drop by; as for an occasional crossing the sword with idiots, well, there's always Pogson.com, or, if you want other people to talk to, Arstechnica and Slashdot.

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    3. he's here to smear anyone criticizing MS and attack any competition, that's his job

      Agreed, it's painfully obvious that he's paid (if not, he's insane, real-deal insane - the MS equivalent of the "Linux is a god" über-freetards in the newsgroups back in the day).

      Notice that he doesn't just bash the primary MS competition like Apple, he even lashes out at pretty harmless stuff like VirtualBox with mad zeal, just because it's not Microsoft. What kind of "ordinary IT guy" would be so extreme?

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    4. The question is why is he doing that here. Everyone figured him out, so why bother?

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  31. Mostly, I'm slow to anger. I'm proud to say that I have only ever punched two people in the last thirty years.

    I'm hardly volatile, therefore. Both of those punches might have been a bad mistake.

    But, you know what? I cannot stand idiocy. I do not need to punch idiocy. It is simply enough for me to point out idiocy.

    I hereby point out idiocy. On this entire thread.

    I hope you idiots are proud of yourselves, because to be honest I can't see what other benefit you would get out of being idiots.

    Mazel Tov! Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Bonza, mateys!

    Now, fuck off and do something for the rest of the world. Just stop bitching about something that doesn't really matter all that much.

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    1. Well shit. On one hand you and say it doesn't really matter all that much but on the other hand you behave like it's THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER.

      So which is it? If your answer is "it doesn't really matter", you know there's no possible way you can justify your presense here, right?

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    2. Notice the same guys who were calling for oiaohm stuff to be-removed from the blog post are engaging in worst insults than oiaohm ever uses.

      Idiot, twit and moron is about oiaohm limit for insults.

      So how long before you start giving Dr Loser and That Exploit Guy get the Ham title. In fact without question they are worst than oiaohm.

      Dr Loser
      --Mostly, I'm slow to anger. I'm proud to say that I have only ever punched two people in the last thirty years.--
      That is nothing to be proud of. I have only hit people when I have been in absolute pain. The pain is what made the anger possible to turn to violence in me. I have made sure I don't get myself in enough pain to allow me to use violence or if I am I take myself away from population until it under control. Yes I have some injuries and pain control medicine does not always work. So I have not punched anyone in the last 30 years.

      When I was young and my pain was not well managed I punched a lot of people. Even that in most of the fights I walked way the most harmed. Yes in some of those I had thrown the first punch. But when I woke up what I had done I stopped and resorted to blocking. Since I had attacked the other person I deserved to have the crap beaten out of me.

      You only have to punch a person once to kill them. I did not know that when I was young. A person can be proud of how long they have not punched anyone. So every punch is attempted manslaughter. 2 times in 30 years. Ok that means you could in jail for the last 30 years.

      You have only been lucky. I was also lucky when I was young that I did not kill anyone you might say. In fact it was not luck. I did not work on developing upper body strength until my violence was under control I even took some herbs that dropped physical strength so even if I did lash out I did not have the strength todo too much. So even if I punched someone at max strength I could not break bone or push them out of balance too far. This is fine while everyone around you is sober. This is me under 18. So I was fairly safe not ideal.

      Ever since I have had the physical strength to harm someone I have hit no one. So ever since the age of 18 I have hit no one.

      The simple problem here you hit a drunk person they might appear sober they fall off feet hit skull and die. You don't even need to hit them that hard.

      So Dr Loser the next person you hit you may kill them. So for your own self make sure there is not a next one.

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    3. It's hard to take "slow to anger" seriously when nearly every sentence out of Loser is snide and hateful. And it's not the kind of "funny bitter" you see out of comedians. I wonder if DrLoser thinks he's funny.

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    4. Just stop bitching about something that doesn't really matter all that much.

      Says the guy who bitches about the Linux desktop as if it has any more relevance than Amiga.

      Even SJVN comes across as more even minded than you. What is left of the freetards? Pogson and his pet hamster?

      HEY GUYZ POGSON JUST BLOGGED ABOUT LINUX
      IT'S THE POST AFTER THE ONE ABOUT GROWING RADISHES
      LET'S GO TELL HIM HOW STUPID HE IS

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  32. What matters is that Microsoft, is belatedly, is finally listening to feedback from its customers and changing the product as a result. That is, by far, the most alarming thing that didn’t happen—Windows division protestations to the contrary notwithstanding—during the Sinofsky regime.

    And where were you Paul during that time? You were a little cheerleading slut for Sinofsky and we haven't forgotten. You're only calling it a 'regime' now that the Sinofsky 'vision' has failed. You stuck your head in the sand and didn't want to listen to Windows developers just like Microsoft. Well enjoy eating that crow.

    Winsupersite comment:
    Sinofsky is an idiot just like whole Windows UI team. I would do job better myself given 20 years of experience with building apps and I am only 36

    Paul used to delete comments that called out Sinofsky. My my how times change.

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  33. The future™:

    There is a reason why Metro apps are "toy-like": WinRT (WinRT = Metro API) was not designed for complex programs. You will never see a WinRT Photoshop app because it would be almost impossible to create, never mind having dismal performance on bitmaps of any size (due to "brokered" file access). I saw one post on MSDN where a dev wrote a WinRT app that grabbed headers from image files in the Photos folder. It was 60-100X slower than the Desktop version because of the brokered file access. There are also limitations on image sizes due to the use of Direct3D textures for everything (some graphics hardware has a 4096 pixel limit). An additional problem is that WinRT apps have limited access to DLLs, which are used for filters in graphics apps. You can't install a "filter pack" on a WinRT graphics app. It has to be in the main install -- WinRT apps can't load a DLL dynamically from anywhere else.

    None of these technical issues really matter because Adobe won't take a 30% haircut on sales anyway.


    http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/maybe-they-should-just-call-it-windows-78?page=1

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  34. Has loser ever answered the Windows 8 critics here? He's acting as if we are complete retards, with the intellectual abilities of amoeba. Pretty much all his replies are just insults, reading his replies one could think we are arguing that 10 is greater than 100 or that it's dark at day and light at night.

    From where does he take the justification for such extreme arrogance? Was he ever able to counter the criticisms against Windows 8 in any meaningful way?

    Otherwise it all amounts to some kind of infallibility dogma: Windows 8 is great because Microsoft can do no wrong because Microsoft can do no wrong.

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    1. Loser rarely puts up any kind of argument. His stance is basically "if you disagree with me you get insulted." He apparently makes it a goal to make every sentence an attack. If you request that he act more civilly, as Kurkos has done in this very thread, he will deny your request, gloat about denying it, sling more insults at you, and declare victory.

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  35. News from TMR:

    http://tmrepository.com/stream/

    DrLoser:

    Are you getting mad at a bunch of tin-foil hatted freaks? I for one cannot get myself to take them seriously. Especially not after encountering the following statement:


    "and Dell, heh, they don’t even want to be a PC OEM, apparently"

    Did you hear news that Dell was slowly moving away from selling computers and towards stockbroking? Me neither.


    ..

    I tend to agree with Mr. Kitty [exploit guy] on this one. It just isnt worth mixing it up with this crew, especially the ones who are nothing more than linux loving propeller heads in disguise. The only answer that will count in the end is the market. Any group that proposes piracy as an integral part of a post microsoft strategy for the general public is just not even worth the F bomb..

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  36. So how long before you start giving Dr Loser and That Exploit Guy get the Ham title. In fact without question they are worst than oiaohm.

    Yeah, I'll have to agree with Ham here; if we're calling for moderation when he posts, despite the fact he never engages anyone in a hateful manner, then we should definitely demand moderation when Monco (Toaster/ExploitGuy) and Loser insult everyone they talk to.

    Jerkface, the ball is in your court here. Nobody needs MS shills to poison the conversation in the first place, given their obscene behavior, maybe you really should "bring down the hammer."

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    1. No, don't censor them.

      It would be a lot more boring without this madness.

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    2. I kind of like watching the Microsoft employees crack up. I get the feeling everyone in Redmond is pretty stressed.

      Windows Phone
      Surface
      Windows 8

      0 for 3. That's what happens when you ignore your customers.

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    3. Don't censor. If you do it's no better than Thurrot or Sinofsky. Let's be adults instead. Hearing different viewpoints is good.

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    4. Censorship is for metrotards. Stop asking for it.

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