Friday, March 8, 2013

Non-touch Chromebook and Mac sales up in touch-based-post-pc-cloud-era

Non-touch Chromebook and Mac sales up in post-pc 2013.

Boy that must just fry the nerves of MS fanboys and the company p.r. talking heads that have to make up excuses for poor Windows 8 sales.

Let's follow the logic of Microsoft over the past year since they like all companies seem to hope that we have a 2 week memory.

Windows 8 is Windows without compromise. It's great on any type of device.

Windows 8 sales will pick up over the holidays.

Windows 8 sales were not great during the holidays because there weren't enough touch devices available.

Windows RT tablets are touch based and sales have been minimal.

Windows Pro tablets sold out because we weren't ready for high demand of touch based Windows devices even though we have claimed that is what people want. That's why the 1 per store sold out so quickly.

Windows 8 sales will pick up later in the year when there are more touch devices available. OEMs are to blame.

Windows 8 devices will be subsidized by us for touch-based devices since we now claim that touch provides the best experience even though we earlier claimed that Windows 8 is Windows without compromise on any device. So no compromise actually means compromise.

Windows 8 sales are low because there aren't enough touch devices and  post-pc consumers love touch even though sales of non-touch Macs and Chromebooks are up and non-touch Windows 7 is outselling Windows 8 on Amazon.

We make a Windows 8 tablet and it is getting beaten by non-Windows non-touch devices. That's because we're not making touch enabled ....wait no... we need to a post-pc...OEMS are to blame...but we actually.. and fluid.....surface.....hang on a

(P.R. guy takes gun and blows brains out)


  1. I don't know a single person under 30 that doesn't want a Mac. Every gen-yer seems to think of the PC as an adware-ridden junkbox that you only put up with until you can afford a Mac.

    Windows 8 is not helping this perception. Windows 8 is selling Macs and you fanboys are acting like Republicans with Romney. It's not the media's fault that your horse sucks.

    1. that you only put up with until you can afford a Mac.

      Let's not forget about Hackintosh here, it works like a charm, according to Mac fanatics.

    2. Unfortunately, only when building your own desktop. It is very hard to find a laptop that has 100% OS X compatible hardware, all down to the bluetooth module and card reader (so that it doesn't need gross hacks like kexts that make upgrading hard).

      If you know of such a laptop, please please post so I can get it for my sister.

    3. I'd suggest you buy your sister a refurbished MBA, or an iPad with a keyboard shell; it's questionable, if a laptop that fits your need even exist, and if it does, if it's actually cheaper than Apple's MacBooks.

  2. because it is an adware-ridden junkbox. all anti-mac haters look at are specs. with laptops the feel of the device is much more important than processors. and you can't pull a freetard here and claim that macfags DontKnowBetter. Are Macs overprices, heck yeah! Personally I would never buy a Mac laptop because they fall apart fast. I'm a thinkpad fanboy all the way. But I don't delude myself like Exploit The Guy and think that everyone who buys a Mac is an idiot sucker.

    1. JoeMonco (aka "FlyingToaster," aka "That_Exploit_Guy") is not deluding himself, he's just doing his job, evangelising Microsoft's solutions to anyone who still believes him and demonising competitor's products while shaming their users.

    2. Because it is an adware-ridden junkbox

      It's not so much the adware that annoys me (which can be killed from msconfig) it's the horrible install images used. On most PCs, the factory installation of Windows, for reasons left to perverted imagination (like generating the install image from a database) takes eons to boot even with all the junkware killed from msconfig (or even better from the registry). Wipe the hardrive clean and install from scratch, boot is fast as cheetah on the exact same machine.

      The situation is improving a bit with ultrabooks, as the OEMS have boot times they have to meet to be able to use the ultrabook trademark.

    3. and here is your problem. the software on PCs just feels clunky. and average user shouldn't have to worry about msconfig or the registry. nothing beats the tightness of a vanilla OS. and apple gives you a fully integrated vanilla OS. i agree, though, the OEM software is slowly improving.

  3. Shit, shit, shit! Shuttleworth starts to understand software (not much, but he is learning). First Mir, now this:

    Essentially Microsoft is betting that Google won't step in and unload massive amounts of $$$ on Ubuntu (as a plan B in case Chome OS fails). Just like they did with Firefox when MS made IE6 redirect to MSN search when you mistyped an address. Will it happen? Probably not. But what if it does happen? The old Microsoft never relied on competition being dumb. They LEAD the way and were first no matter what happened.

    As the guy who founded McDonalds said, take care of the customer and the business will take care of itself. Which translates to "don't poop on the customer to advance your corporate agenda" (like squeezing yourself in the tablet business).

  4. Supposedly it is easier to install Ubuntu on the new HP laptops than it is to install Windows 7.

    Rumor has it that Microsoft is pressuring OEMs to not provide Windows 7 drivers for new laptops.

    How messed up is that?

    1. messed up? you can't downgrade the OS on ANY apple products. and yet no one complains. i wonder why that is.

    2. Apple controls the hardware. You can't *force* apple to provide drivers for old hardware, much like you shouldn't be allowed to *force* OEMs *not* to support older versions of windows.


    3. So Apple now sets the standard? We were told by you fanboys that we would always have downgrade rights and now the new laptops are getting locked into Windows 8.

      Who imagined that one day HP would support Ubuntu but not Windows 7. That's all thanks to NuMicrosoft.

    4. don't want it, don't use it. we should be encouraging competition in the OS space so we are not dependent on one vendor's decisions. much like android, ios, and windows phone in the mobile space. if Google makes a retarted decision i can switch to an alternative.

    5. don't want it, don't use it.

      That's a costly strategy - moving to MacOS or Linux has a lot of consequences, so many, in fact, that it's nearly impossible for many businesses.

      Should consumers and companies actually do what you propose, it would mean bankruptcy for MS, since it's all about the ecosystem, MS would go from 90%+ to near 0% market share in a quick succession.

      It would be much better for everyone, if MS yields and stops using Metro.

    6. Supposedly it is easier to install Ubuntu on the new HP laptops than it is to install Windows 7.

      So PCs that don't come pre-installed with Win7, can't be expected to run it (or, at least, there are no guarantees)?

      What about XP?

  5. You guys are going to need more recruits, the hatred of Windows 8 is getting worse.

  6. That's it! I'm installing Ubuntu right the fuck now!

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    1. It amazes me how many ways they seem to be pissing people off recently. Occasionally you get climb downs, e.g. the have made the new Office 2013 "perpetual" licence transferrable now, but by then a lot of damage has been done.The reason being you only get a climb down after a lot of negative publicity.

    2. Unfortunately for MS, when you backpedal after the uproar you end up with none of the benefits (increased sales through lockdown) and none of the goodwill either (people still resent you for trying to lock down the license.)

  8. Microsoft isn't doing anything wrong. I've been using Windows 8 exclusively for years and I think it is the bestest OS ever made.

    1. You were doing a good Linsuxoid impersonation until you used "bestest."

      Score: 6/10

    2. I'm still super-glad he did that impersonation.

  9. Jun Dong-soo is the first CEO to unabashedly point out that Windows 8 is wearing no clothes, and not only has Windows 8 not saved the PC industry as Microsoft claimed it would, but Windows 8 has actively accelerated the trend away from Windows PCs because it is so unpopular. There soon will be a flood of other CEOs indicating the same thing now that the ice has been broken and lightening didn't flash from the sky and knock Jun Dong-soo senseless.

    Still, these CEOs have nobody but themselves to blame. After all:

    1. Touch on a PC is less useful than teats on a boar hog.

    2. Touch screens on PCs add significant, unnecessary cost, moving their costs well above the consumer-price sweet spot for PCs.

    3. The PC industry tried and failed miserably 3 years ago to convince consumers that they just HAD to have touch screens on their latest laptops. People running PC companies should have noticed that. (Maybe they did and just forgot.)

    4. Metro UI is essentially nothing more than a cell-phone interface, and it makes about as much sense as a PC UI as putting the controls of a Fiat 500 into a Boeing 747. Over a year ago, tens of thousands of advanced testers told Microsoft in no uncertain terms that Metro UI wasn't going to fly on PCs. Their comments were all over the web for all to see, so anybody paying attention knew this issue was going to be a deal breaker for the enterprise, the small business user, as well as most consumers.

    5. Running the same OS on every device with a CPU chip makes about as much sense as putting the same engine in every motorized vehicle from a Segway to a railroad locomotive.

    But the PC CEOs drank the Windows 8/Windows RT/Metro UI Kool-Aid, being told by Microsoft that they were the magic beans that would revitalize flagging PC sales. And now these same CEOs are surprised and angry that the analysts were right all along and that the Windows 8 Kool-Aid was tainted, i.e., Windows 8/Metro UI makes consumers and the enterprise avoid Windows 8 PCs like they were radioactive.

    So, my only question is: "Just what kind of fools are in charge of the PC industry"? I suspect the answer is: "Clueless fools who are completely ignorant about what PC users actually do with their PCs, both in the enterprise, in the small home office, and at home." Apparently, pretty much like Microsoft themselves, though I suspect that Microsoft simply doesn't care because they have their own strategic vision of forcing all Windows PC users into an Applesque walled-garden where Microsoft can skim the cream from every user being milked.

    1. But the PC CEOs drank the Windows 8/Windows RT/Metro UI Kool-Aid, being told by Microsoft that they were the magic beans that would revitalize flagging PC sales.

      Bitch please, the only OEMs that are super exited about Windows8/WindowsRT/Metro are the ones that have failed on Android. Either because they couldn't follow the versions (Dell*), or because they dug their own grave by attempting to launch their own OS and missed the boat (HP with webOS).

      Every OEM that is even mildly competitive on Android is keeping a low-profile regarding Windows RT and even touch-based Windows 8 PCs, see Samsung (one model in total, and without too much promotion), or Acer (they postponed WindowsRT devices until Q2, which for those of you who don't speak TaiwaneseOEM speak means "not interested")

      * Dell once shipped an Android smartphone which was a couple of versions behind then-current Android

    2. which I might add proved the fact that popularly is not a litmus for quality. personally I find windows rt tablets as good or better than the android ones. but MS sucks at strategy so they are gonna blow this, like they did with windows phone, kin, zune. again, I could make the same argument with music. i could name you jazz pianists that are magnificent players and yet have 1/100th of the popularity of brad mehldau

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    1. From the article:

      Shares of Microsoft (MSFT) today closed down 13 cents, or 0.5%, at $27.87, after MKM Partners’s analyst Israel Hernandez this morning reiterated a Neutral rating on the shares and cuts his price target to $27 from $28, after cutting his estimates for the company’s Surface tablet computer and for its Windows 8 and Office productivity suite programs.

      Hernandez cut his estimate for the fiscal Q3 ending this month from $20.89 billion in revenue to $20.35 billion, although he raised his EPS estimate to 76 cents from 75 cents. The Street has been modeling $20.62 billion and 74 cents.

      His Q3 estimate for Surface goes to 600,000 units from a prior 800,000 units. For this year and next fiscal year, he now models the company selling 2.3 million units and 4 million, respectively, versus prior estimates for 2.9 million and 6.6 million.

      Hernandez thinks despite better specs for the “Surface Pro” version of the tablet that runs on Intel‘s (INTC) chip and runs a fully-fledged version of Windows 8, he is concerned [Surface Pro] may be a failure like Microsoft’s ill-fated “Zune” music player:

      "Our revised estimates reflect mounting evidence that Windows 8 is failing to resuscitate flagging PC demand, with PC shipments likely to be show double-digit declines through at least the first half of CY13. We are also lowering our forecast for Surface sales, with Surface RT on track to join Zune and the Kin in the great consumer electronics discount rack in the sky. While the prospects for Surface Pro are better, current price points on the $999+ hybrid tablet/notebook are not competitive for mass- market adoption and will need to come down, in our view, at the sacrifice of margin and further alienation of the OEM channel, which, in our view, is currently in open revolt. Four months into release, Windows 8 is dangerously close to being permanently rejected by consumers, contributing to a major headwind to the Windows and, by extension, Office businesses, which collectively account for nearly 60% of revenue and the majority of Microsoft’s profits. We are also concerned about recent reports that Microsoft is cutting Windows 8 OEM licensing fees in order to encourage OEMs to develop more touch-based form factors, a development that, if true, makes sense but will likely permanently affect Windows margins and profitability."

      Hernandez also cut his full-year estimate to $78.57 billion and $2.83 per share form a prior $79.7 billion and $2.88 per share.

    2. So this must be why MS also tries to shoehorn the Windows name into non-PC products- you get results like Zune and Kin.

      Actually, they didn't call it "Microsoft Windows XBox Game Series", and it has done well.

  11. If Surface RT is on track to become the next Kin or Zune, I think the Surface Pro may be doomed to become the next Zune HD- a technically good (or even very good) product that is a mismatch with consumers.