Friday, June 8, 2012

Windows 8 sucks

Microsoft (Sinofsky and Ballmer) and Windows 8 defenders of the web are in serious denial of the negative reaction towards Windows 8.

Ghost Rider you are awesome. This is the type of stuff we need to keep showing them. The only chance we have is for Ballmer to wake up and realize that the Windows head making all these decisions (Sinofsky) is a Mac lover who not only buys into "post-pc" but even worse completely lacks common sense and has no understanding of enterprise needs.

Look at this response from some paid M$ $hill (heh):
Seems like some people just get scared of change and say it is the end of the world. Same people said how bad Windows 7 would be despite glowing reviews before launch. Without Vista, there would be no Windows 7 lol. Would you prefer they didn't make changes and kept Vista the same? So even if they make some mistakes, you are still getting a huge amount of improvements with this release. Don't be so scared of change, maybe you will start loving it like 7, and start complaining about the upcoming changes in Windows 9 ;)

I did a little digging and look at what I found on the same website (overclock.net):
Like Vista: 78%
Dislike Vista: 15%

Seems those same users weren't afraid of Vista. As for Windows 7 the early RC previews were positive.

Get it through your fucking heads: Windows 8 sucks. It's not "fear of change", that's a lazy excuse for a rejected product. If Mcdonald's found out that 80% of their customers didn't like a new hamburger they wouldn't go on a campaign to convince them that they are afraid of change. They would go back to the drawing board and try something new.

Windows 8 sucks, as a desktop UI it is less efficient than Windows 7 which makes it a fucking waste of time. If you can't see why taking organized start menu icons and dumping them into a clusterfuck or making the user watch a goddamn animation everytime the start menu button is clicked are poor UI decisions then you are probably in the hopeless 20% who buy into this crap and likely spend all day in a browser tweeting.

How far would you Windows 8 defenders take this default "fear of change" line? What if Windows 9 was a purple pony that you had to chase with your mouse for 10 minutes before you could access anything? Would any reject be fear of change? Or is there something called --productivity--?

Overclockers is filled with Windows enthusiasts who love trying new hardware, games, software, etc. To try to depict them as fearful is absurd.

EvenPaul Thurott doesn't like it.
Windows 8 isn’t even Windows anymore. It’s a tablet OS that’s been grafted onto Windows like a monstrous Frankenstein experiment.

I honestly didn't think that was possible. I thought Thurott's gig was to rubber stamp everything that comes out of Redmond to get early previews, free software, etc. This is like Fox News doing a 2 hour hit piece on a Republican president. Microsoft should be on fucking DEF CON 1. This is all bad, very bad.

Oh and dismissing power users and developers is freaking S-T-O-O-P-E-D. A lot of these guys are in charge of thousands of desktops and their word is what matters. It's not just Aunty Sue that will be told to stay away, CIO Joe will also be told to skip this release. Ballmer wake up and get rid of the rat (Sinofsky) inside Microsoft before this train wreck happens. Wake the fuck up.

Update Nov 02: Ballmer has fired Sinofsky. You can read my post on it here.

136 comments:

  1. Oh look! 450 users don't like Metro!

    M$ should abandon it right awaaiii!

    /sarcasm

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    1. For a national poll the average sample size is 1000. I

      When something is this consistently negative in polls then you have a problem.

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    2. National polls use a random (well sort of) sample of people, and have +-% determined mathematically.

      A self selected poll of people caught in the feedback loop of negativity in regards to Windows 8 isn't worth shit.

      That Vista poll you referenced in the main article was done in 2008, and was a self selected poll of people who had used Vista. It does not relate to the Windows 8 situation as it stands. The reactions to Windows 8 currently are very similar to the early reactions to Vista from people who were also caught up in a negative feedback loop.

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    3. The self-selection makes it worse.

      If Windows nerds hate it then John Q. Public will skip it.

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    4. Oh look! 450 users don't like Metro!

      M$ should abandon it right awaaiii!

      you can keep your craplet os, other people aren't turdburglars and actually want a desktop.

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    5. Im done with MS. THey have tried to change UI too many times and just expect users to adapt because they think they are god. I have news for you: when it comes to productivity tools change IS bad. Did you hear that? CHANGE IS FUCKING BAD!
      When people adapt to a way of doing things and then are forced every couple of years to doing it totally differently that thwarts productivity and it is BAD!
      Go ahead and increase compatability and performance, but friggn leave the UI alone you morons!
      Goodbye Microsoft, glad to leave you. Hello, again, Apple.

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    6. It's pretty evident m$ wants to just trying 'being different' but on the safe side, hence why win 8 is minus the metro interface very much similar to win 7. So much thought and creativity went into it ^_^ , just skingraft the xbox interface atop windoze 7! You know the execs had a brilliant hoot coming up with that while getting trashed in a room full of Ukrainian craigslist sex workers.

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    7. yes, abandon it, please do... or..... quit your bitching, go get a sucker from the good little boys and girls bucket, sit in the corner, and feel better about yourself.

      OMG, quick your complaining, quit your bitching, and go by a MACnCRAP, if this makes you feel better!

      Better yet, go load up Linux and thumb your nose at M$, big BAD corporate Microsoft.

      WTF????

      -KRAM

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    8. Win 8 is FAST, faster than 7. buy it now while it's CHEAPER than 7, or you'll be sorry. Never been a M$ O$ that didn't need tweeking to fit. Classic Shell, and bypass METRO, and 8 screams, while 7 yelled "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" Fanbois and Haters, Win8 is WAY better than 7, but it will probably end up being the stepping stone to 9, just like Vista.

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    9. Windows 8 is a excellent program as long as you look at what it wants to show you. I just love 24 hour streaming commercials, and pop ups telling me how to use this information or tailor it to my needs. I didn't even know what my needs were so thank you windows for defining that for me. I just don't know how I get my shoes on in the morning. Oh almost forgot, windows 8 doesn't let you use old versions of Java so I don't need to waste any more time or money on my favorite online games. I want a honest opinion here, how many of you after registering all your personal information with windows 8 so it would work, have gotten text messages constantly, in case your away from your computer? I mean why is aol texting me from random users? I don't even have a aol account. Well I was just cleaning the dust off this new laptop and thought I would say thank you Windows 8, I don't know I would do without you.

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    10. If you bypass the start menu and go straight to the desktop, at least it runs faster than windows 7. I do like how fast it starts and closes. Other than that, I find it completely non-intuitive and ridiculously stupid. So, find out why it loads faster, closes faster and call it Windows 7 SP-4.

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    11. I could care less about how it starts up, but I fucking despise the Windows 8 sidebar that pops up ANY FUCKING time I don't want it to!!!! However, God forbid I needed the piece of shit to slide out, it doesn't fucking budge and I'm just scrolling all around my mouse pad like an idiot!

      Who do I have to kill to get rid of that absolutely annoying sidebar!!!? I seriously cannot believe anyone tested this shit and said, "yeah, it's cool, it's a great idea to drive Windows 8 users out of their fucking minds with this extremely unnecessary fucking feature!!!!!!"

      As you can tell, I'm pissed...no, I'm LIVID! I hate it, hate it, hate it! And if I don't get rid of it soon, I just may smash this fucking laptop!!

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    12. I LUV YOU MAN!!!

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    13. Oh & you forgot "Can I get more than 3 f'n choices on my right-click menu!!!"

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  2. Damn straight, I expect Win 8 Metro to be an even more epic disaster than Millennium or Vista. I'll give props for courage to try something new but it should NOT be forced upon us all cold-turkey. Users should be able to configure their desktop for either Metro or the traditional Start menu depending on their preference.

    Even Ubuntu gives the option to run either Unity or Gnome 3 at login.

    Maybe the Redmond Boys think they can't learn something from Canonical?

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  3. Jerkface, you are acting like Pogson, seriously. The Start Menu is so important for you, ok, but you can still install and use the same fucking programs that you use on Windows 7.

    I like Windows 8, but no for its new menu and fullscreen apps. I like it because Ribbon in Explorer is great, I can create quick access buttons with easy shortcuts; I use "Win-X" menu a lot; I don't need to install a virtual disc software; the general spellchecker is very useful; and of curse, the better performance.

    Maybe Windows 8 will not replace Windows 7, but it will not be a disaster. Windows Me and Vista was a failure because it was very buggy, prone to crashes and with low performance; Windows 8 doesn't have any of that.

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    1. "I can create quick access buttons with easy shortcuts"

      We can already do that in Windows 7. When it comes down to it Windows 8 is a terrible upgrade. You can't disable Metro and it does a poor job of organizing your programs.

      Windows 8 doesn't pass the smell test. It really stinks actually.

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    2. I wonder how can you do that on Explorer of Windows 7. Ribbon allows to create a button of almost every action possible in Explorer. Also you get a keyboard shortcut, so you can Alt+3 to show all hidden files or Alt+4 to invert the selection of the items.

      What is better? Let the developer create a shortcut on the menu under 2 folders o just put in the last of the menu? I hate both, at least Obonto does it better at sorting apps by categories.

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    3. We can already do that in Windows 7.

      Well no, Explorer in Win7 does not allow users to modify the toolbar like it did in XP (you can use Classic Shell to create another toolbar with buttons that were in WinXP, but then you have two toolbars); however the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar - the little toolbar within the titlebar that usually holds undo and redo buttons) is a lousy solution. Why? Because:

      - you pollute the titlebar with tiny icons

      - if there's a lot of them you cannot read the actual title

      - they're smaller targets than ribbon icons

      - and they can be hard to see depending on the colors of icons and the chosen colorization of window borders...

      What we actually need, is an ability to easily modify the ribbon itself (in any program that uses it), so that we can add, remove or move icons (within and between tabs) and even remove unneeded tabs (or add extra ones).

      The QAT, however. could just as well be removed, it solves nothing, it only keeps undo and redo buttons in a most inappropriate position, where they are hard to see and hard to hit.

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      What is better? Let the developer create a shortcut on the menu under 2 folders o just put in the last of the menu?

      Put the icon in the Start menu (just one icon, shortcut to the .exe, no folders and no extra crap) and let the user pin it if they want to. Case closed.

      Unfortunately, the wise community of Windows programmers has yet to grasp this bold new concept of simplicity.

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    4. Actually the programs I used wont load due to a java failure.

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    5. Wrong assumption many Win 7 drivers do not work in Windows 8 and cause crashes, instead of a scary blue screen you get a sad face screen :-(

      Now that is innovation....NOT!!!

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    6. yes it does. i kept getting kicked out of games and random os crash errors. and i have a overclocked amd a10 5800k. msi a85xa g65 board. 8 gigs of 2133 g-skill ram. and dual graphics with my asus hd 6670 1gb ddr5. so you tell me does windoze 8 suck. YES IT DOES. ive used it. went back to windows 7 atleast its stable

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  4. Every time I want to close a maximized window in Windows 8 and the "charms" menu popup, I feel like throwing the damn thing to the floor. At best, if one manages to not pay attention to the touch UI that pops up everywhere, Windows 8 brings nothing relevant for desktop users. Nothing at all.

    As for performance improvements, I figured that with the money I will be saving by not buying Windows 8, I could get an SSD instead. Now, that's performance.

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    1. That's what I did. Works great!

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  5. *sigh* Do companies do focus groups and testing against users anymore? It seems everyone (MS, Nintendo, Asus) wants to be like Apple and "revolutionise" things, but without knowing how hard that is (make something that is wholy different and doesn't suck usability-wise) and how much user input is needed.

    I would like to see figures of how much testing against users Nintendo did for the Wii controller and how much for the Wii U controller.

    Also, I hope Microsoft DID test Windows 8 against some users, and they liked it, so Win8 is at least liked by the Facebook/angry birds crowd.

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    1. Also, I hope Microsoft DID test Windows 8 against some users, and they liked it, so Win8 is at least liked by the Facebook/angry birds crowd.

      Not likely based on the "tried Windows 8 on my mum/pop" videos on youtube.

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  6. Fuck that! I'm going back to MS-DOS!

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    1. Yeah, no... I'm going back to Linux or FreeBSD. You have fun in non-protected mode 16-bit hell though.

      Oh, and I agree... Win8 sucks. Really really really badly. Just got it now and I googled, "windows 8 command prompt still sucks" and got here. *shrug* They tried to catch up to the times by making a desktop/laptop OS a tablet OS... fucking smart.

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  7. Ok Jerkface I have to admit you were right about Sinofsky.

    I tried giving him a chance but he keeps ignoring my questions on his blog. After reading an article on The Channel about Ballmer and Sinofsky I'm convinced that the entire company is under the direction of an ego maniac who has Apple envy. Ballmer is being manipulated by Sinofsky and actually thinks Windows 8 is going to be a hit.

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  8. i really don't think it will flop. And if it actually does, MS can easily do an update that changes the UI. I don't understand why the consumer cannot have the choice to fit the desktop to his personal tastes. I'm sure some people prefer a tiling WM like awesome or xmonad, one size doesn't fit all!

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    1. But that's only because people who don't like Windows 8 have small penises.

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    2. Because if you give users the choice, then developers won't feel they're forced to write Metro applications, and without those, Windows tablets don't stand a chance. It's as simple as that.

      After all, MS has not much to lose. Windows 8 is going to come preinstalled no matter what, and the worse thing it can happen to them is that we traditional desktop users stick with Windows 7. Businesses were also likely to skip this release anyway.

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    3. Because if you give users the choice, then developers won't feel they're forced to write Metro applications, and without those, Windows tablets don't stand a chance. It's as simple as that.

      This strategy is madness. Piss off developers as part of a plan to get them to support the platform?

      You can encourage development on a platform without force-feeding changes that result in disrupted workflow and lost productivity.

      MS is taking their customers for granted. Businesses didn't have to upgrade to Vista and yet millions did. Windows 8 will sell even worse and the idea that they can make up those lost profits on tablet sales is a total joke. They're ditching their bread and butter to chase tablet sales where not only their margins but also their volumes will be lower. Total madness.

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    4. Amiga O$ SHILL!!!!!!

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    5. That guy (Anonymous6/09/2012 02:34:00 PM) is an MS-DOS Shill!!!!!

      Keep it straight!

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    6. That's funny, because I hate Windows 8 and I have a rather large penis. There goes that idea.

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    7. Focus groups are stupid, but if 999 out of a 1000 people who try the OS say it sucks ass, Microsoft needs to re-think it. No one with an IQ above room temperature likes this OS. It is basing their bread and butter desktop OS on their mobile OS that has already been rejected by both businesses and consumers alike in the market place.

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  9. This strategy is madness. Piss off developers as part of a plan to get them to support the platform?

    MS thinks you'll get around to liking Metro, or, if not, that the market will force you to support it.

    What they don't seem to realize is that iOS (called iPhoneOS at the time) succeeded before it had any apps (there was no support for adding apps, beyond the built-in ones); and that both developers and users pleaded Apple to allow apps to be sold for iOS, Jobs was gracious enough to allow this (even though he never wanted apps on his iToys)... and that was the basically that.

    MS believes that they can force the same to happen on their platform by simply pushing users and developers onto Metro no matter what, kicking and screaming, if need be.

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  10. The worst thing isn't even the replacement of the start menu with a fullscreen metro app launcher. The problem is that MS sees the desktop as a legacy platform for app compatibility. They clearly want everyone to use metro apps only even on the desktop! They want to force distribution channel through their store and give consumers a controlled and sandboxed environment. If they would belive in the desktop they would have expanded the appstore to support Desktop programs as well.

    They don't want people to write new win32 desktop apps. The new express editions of VS 2012 will only allow Metro apps to be written. They discontinue the live essentials in favor of their metro counterparts. Zune will be discontinued and probably replaced with a metro app. The games hub is a metro app only. Everything they do points at a direction where they want consumers to use metro only even if it's horribly inefficient.

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    1. and yet people would rather use NOT linux or overpay for a mac. that means windows 8 is still the best deal you can get.

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    2. People only wish they could have SUPERIOR Macs instead of stinky, low-rent Windows poverty-boxes. Go pirate your awful Microsoft nonsense. I can afford the best.

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    3. nice try, i have an imac

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    4. shut up you brained washed mac loving peace of shit. people don't get windows cause there poor they get windows cause its more bang for your buck and you only got to spend half as many bucks.

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    5. @robjhak: I suppose if you live in moms basement and your time is worth nothing.... then you might be right.

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  11. Windows 8 is just a piece of crap. There is absolutelly nothing to discuss...

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  12. Put the icon in the Start menu (just one icon, shortcut to the .exe, no folders and no extra crap) and let the user pin it if they want to. Case closed.

    Unfortunately, the wise community of Windows programmers has yet to grasp this bold new concept of simplicity.


    NO you can't seem to grasp why a program would have seperate utilities. Or maybe you think Windows should be one giant exe that takes up all your RAM.

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  13. and yet people would rather use NOT linux or overpay for a mac. that means windows 8 is still the best deal you can get.

    Sticking with Windows 7 is actually a far better deal. Cheaper too.

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    1. And you can watch DVD's

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  15. People only wish they could have SUPERIOR Macs instead of stinky, low-rent Windows poverty-boxes. Go pirate your awful Microsoft nonsense. I can afford the best.

    http://bit.ly/KE88LT

    Have you ever thought that most people can afford Macs but simple don't want to spend that much on a computer? Oh, and when it comes to OSes, there isn't such thing as "superior", just "superior for what I want it for".

    I would normally leave you to DrLoser, but you are just not good enough troll for him.

    PS: GIMP sucks (i am at the university PCs). I took me 10 minutes to do the GIF above in GIMP, something that would take, how much? 40 seconds? in Paint (the real Paint, not the buggy knock offs of KDE and Gnome).

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    1. Thanks, Kurks, I appreciate the compliment.

      But I'm baffled by the whole thing, really. People get used to things pretty quickly ... can anybody remember why you had to use ctrl-tab on Windows 3.1?

      I'm tripping over the odd thing here and there on WIndows 8 at the moment (pretty much Metro-free, since the apps aren't there yet), but nothing too disconcerting. In six months I'll have forgotten what the problem was.

      Oh, and this idea that Sinofsky et al should "care" about the "power users" and the developers? Why should they? Where else are these people going to go? (To be brutal about it.)

      Sure, five years ago they could have bet their own personal farm on Web development, but they didn't, and in fact Web development is looking even more uninviting - to me at least - than it did back then.

      Suck it up, boys, and ride on to Tombstoning.

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    2. So since you can't use program A as well as you know how to use Program B, Program must suck, because it couldn't possibly be that YOU suck at using a program that's 10,000 times better and more powerful than "Paint". Got it.

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  16. I tried Windows 8 CP for a few hours and immediately removed it. It sucked that bad.

    Then I decide to give RP a try.

    I have had an almost 180 degree about-face reaction regarding Windows 8 after using RP. I say "almost 180" because the following is not ideal, but it is totally usable.

    This is what I did to make RP work for me:

    1. Uninstalled all the Metro Apps. The only one left is Store, as they don't allow it to be uninstalled.

    2. Pinned Explorer and Control Panel to the Taskbar.

    3. Created a custom list of folder shortcuts in the first two-tile column on the Start menu for Documents, Video, Music etc. Then, I rearranged all my installed software into further two-tile columns.

    This setup works well enough for me. I have folder shortcuts, search, Win+X and program shortcuts. I no longer need the traditional Start Menu.

    Why I prefer Windows 8 to Windows 7 on the Desktop:

    1. Much faster performance. Example: If I downloaded too many items into the Downloads folder, it takes ages to display the contents of the folder once I have opened it. When I clear the folder, it then loads instantly again. Very annoying.

    2. What totally sucks about Windows 7 is that icons walk around the desktop after saving a document. This is a brand new bug, introduced in Windows 7. Wow, this one grates me. I have a very busy work desktop. I move an icon to location X, work on the document and save it, then go to the Desktop and it has moved to position Y BY ITSELF!! When there are many icons on the Desktop, I have to waste time looking for the icon.

    3. Built-in instant file content search is really appreciated. I don't have to run some bloated desktop search application on top of Windows anymore.

    4. Win+X introduces many shortcuts that did not exist in Windows 7, making it more efficient. Just learn the new keys. Win+X,C = Command Prompt. Win+X,G = Computer Management, etc.

    5. The Explorer ribbon is a feature that works really well. New Folder is now one mouse click away.

    Take a deep breath, give RP another try. The reasons above are enough reason for me to prefer Windows 8 on the Desktop.

    Yes, I agree, Metro is pathetic for a desktop PC, but just uninstall all the apps. It's really not a big deal.

    As for functionality, just download the following freeware:
    Internet - Use Firefox/Chromium
    Pictures - Use Irfanview/Zoner Studio
    Music - Use Stoffi Music Player/Foobar2000
    Videos/DVD - Use Potplayer

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  17. I've been using the RC too for several days. My installation was made easier by configuring windows 8 as a boot from VHD installation. Which allows one to install multiple OS's without repartitioning ones disk.

    Nice...


    Anyway I agree with the other anonymous. Metro is not a big deal to deal with once you know the magic needed to move to/from the desktop and metro and the real magic of how to turn off or reboot the system. Win 8 is fast and all of my windows 7 drivers worked w/o a hitch.

    The oldman.


    Every

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    1. Of course Windows 8 is fast. ALL Microsoft operating systems are lightning fast the moment you install them. How about trying it 3 months down the road after you have installed all your apps and see if Windows 8 is as fast as you thought it was before.
      I'm running a 3570K with 16 gigs on Windows 7 and it is slow again just like my Q6600. Once that registry fills up the disk grinding and screen pauses begin.

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  18. Actually, I don't think the Windows 8 GUI is as bad as you make it. The desktop is still there, and while it would be nice if you could set it up so that you start with the desktop instead of the start screen, that's hardly a dealbraker IMHO. And if you use the desktop, the start screen is essentially a full-screen start menu. Think of the backstage views in MSO 2010:
    http://blogs.technet.com/b/office2010/archive/2009/07/15/microsoft-office-backstage-part-1-backstory.aspx

    Starting a new program is definitively an "out" function on the desktop: You don't have to see any of the current desktop (or your current application) to do that. So using the full screen for the start menu is a good idea.

    However, there are some things that should be improved:
    - Clickable icon for start screen on desktop (maybe labelled "Start" ? ;-)
    - Groups / folders on the start screen would make life much easier
    - The start screen wastes too much space: Make icons and margins smaller.
    - Start screen needs a clickable icon for the "charms" (settings etc.).
    - Shutting down the machine should be more straightforward.
    - Currently running Metro apps should show in the taskbar
    - Metro apps should have clickable icons for "back to wherever I was before" and "close this app"

    All of the above would be rather minor changes but should increase useability on non-touchscreen systems a lot - maybe even enough for jerkface to stop bitching ? ;-)

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    1. Sensible enough.

      1. Don't see the point of a clickable icon for the start screen, but I'd assume that MS usability studies would uncover such a point.

      2. Don't see a need for groups/folders, either, partly because it's one of the things that really annoys me when locating stuff off the W7 Start menu. There's no coherence: every single app is (unsurprisingly) different. And if you're a heavy user of Visual Studio, the concept sucks donkey balls.

      3. I can live with wasted space. I do not store extra pixels in my kitchen drawer and bundle them up with used aluminum foil for fun and profit.

      4. Yes, I think clickable "charms" (ugh, where on Earth did that come from?) is an excellent idea.

      5. I'm guessing that the idea is that all modern PCs hibernate properly (thus tombstoning) and YouDontNeedThat(TM). Bad idea. This is possibly the one single "you can go back if you want" feature that Metro has seriously screwed up. I'm 100% behind this.

      6. Taskbar Metro apps? Well, maybe for the 1% of us. This might be useful as a Registry setting.

      7. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The stupid things look like Web tabs anyway, so why not have a set of back/forward/close icons in the top right hand corner, where Windows users are used to seeing the equivalent minimize/maximize/close icons? This is a superb idea.

      Now then. Have you sent these ideas back through customer feedback?

      That's sort of the point of the customer preview editions, you know.

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    2. 1. Because a) it would be more obvious how to get to the start screen (and more people might stop bitching) and b) I still use my trusty old keyboard with _real_ key switches - alas, it has no windows key.
      2. I would prefere to arrange some applications in folders for better overview.
      3. I'ld like to have more icons on the screen without needing to scroll. Convenience.
      6. I might want to actually use a few metro apps, so e.g. if I were to use the "finance" app, it would be nice to use it for a while, go "back" to desktop, do some stuff there, and then go into finance again be clicking on the taskbar entry like with any other running programm. I mean, the idea is to integrate both worlds, right? ;-)

      How do I do customer feedback?

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  19. "But I'm baffled by the whole thing, really. People get used to things pretty quickly ... can anybody remember why you had to use ctrl-tab on Windows 3.1?"

    The question is "Do you want to?" not "Can you?", now I'm still waiting to see any improvement to my use cases that would compel me to consider Win8, let alone tolerate it.

    "I'm tripping over the odd thing here and there on WIndows 8 at the moment (pretty much Metro-free, since the apps aren't there yet), but nothing too disconcerting."

    How many years did you use Windows before MS made you use Win8 on your work computer?

    "Oh, and this idea that Sinofsky et al should "care" about the "power users" and the developers? Why should they? Where else are these people going to go? (To be brutal about it.)"

    Ahem, you made a rather big reasoning error there I'm afraid, you see, power users have no problems with mildly advanced usage scenarios (that might involve VMs), they'll have no problems switching to a Mac (or, more likely, staying with XP or 7).

    Developers can do the same (staying on older platforms is just natural to them anyway - lower costs).

    "Sure, five years ago they could have bet their own personal farm on Web development, but they didn't, and in fact Web development is looking even more uninviting - to me at least - than it did back then."

    Mac, Doctor, Mac.

    "Suck it up, boys, and ride on to Tombstoning."

    This line of reasoning didn't work with Vista; if MS internally expects it'll work now... well, I don't really know what to say...

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  20. ...continued:

    "4. Win+X introduces many shortcuts that did not exist in Windows 7, making it more efficient."

    No it doesn't.

    "Just learn the new keys."

    So I can type commands into the keyboard? I think you've used Bash (or some such monstrosity) too much and it has left permanent damage.

    "5. The Explorer ribbon is a feature that works really well. New Folder is now one mouse click away."

    The same as it was in Windows 7; you do know W7 Explorer has a "New Folder" button in it's toolbar, don't you? No? Well, I guess you should have used Windows 7 before trying to make comparisons with it...

    "Take a deep breath, give RP another try."

    Don't worry, you lies and half truths haven't made me angry, in fact, I'm quite amused.

    "The reasons above are enough reason for me to prefer Windows 8 on the Desktop."

    Except that you've listed lies and half truths; based on that, how are we supposed to believe anything you say?

    "Yes, I agree, Metro is pathetic for a desktop PC, but just uninstall all the apps. It's really not a big deal."

    Windows 7 is a much better choice then.
    (We already knew this, but you, apparently, still don't, I guess it must suck to be five years behind when it comes to operating systems.)

    "As for functionality, just download the following freeware:
    Internet - Use Firefox/Chromium
    Pictures - Use Irfanview/Zoner Studio
    Music - Use Stoffi Music Player/Foobar2000
    Videos/DVD - Use Potplayer"


    All of these are freetarded choices, they're far worse than what came preinstalled with Windows in the last decade (except for IE after 2003, I'll grant you that) - let me guess, these things work on Linux?

    ------------------------------------

    Bottom line is: you're a weirdo who has no knowledge about modern Windows, you're either running a very old version of Windows on an even older computer, or, you're a Linux using freetard.

    Either way, you have leg to stand on, when it comes to debating pros and cons of any newer version of Windows, so keep your nonsense to yourself, OK, thanks.

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    1. Actually, Irfanview mixed with Everything lets you do things you normally can't do on Windows. Linux is actually a better OS than Windows. It has MUCH more functionality. Its just thats it not as pretty, which definitely needs to be worked on.
      Mostly, the problem is is that the big retail games don't run on it. But with Valve, ATI, and NVidia now backing drivers for it, thats about to change, and M$ is about to get some HELL of a competition.

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  21. Either way, you have no leg to stand on...

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  22. OK, I see Durden-monster is hungry again...

    First Part:

    "I have had an almost 180 degree about-face reaction regarding Windows 8 after using RP. I say "almost 180" because the following is not ideal, but it is totally usable."

    OK I just have to respond to this pack of idiotisms.

    "1. Uninstalled all the Metro Apps. The only one left is Store, as they don't allow it to be uninstalled."

    Great, so what's the point of Windows 8 then? Why not just use Win7 and avoid any hasle?

    "2. Pinned Explorer and Control Panel to the Taskbar."

    Why? Control panel is available from Explorer anyway, don't you know that?

    "3. Created a custom list of folder shortcuts in the first two-tile column on the Start menu for Documents, Video, Music etc. Then, I rearranged all my installed software into further two-tile columns."

    How does this replace the Start menu(?), which had unfoldable menus for your folders (you could menu-browse for your files, without leaving the context of your current application), jumplists for your pinned application (so you could quickly access recent files), and a menu for All Aplications (made possible by Classic Shell).

    Also, you don't have a lot of software, do you?

    ...

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  23. Second part:

    "This setup works well enough for me. I have folder shortcuts, search, Win+X and program shortcuts. I no longer need the traditional Start Menu."

    Do you understand that the point of the Start Menu is in the word "Menu" (BeOS took the menu style of navigation even further, I liked that); Start Screen can in no way replace the Start Menu, it simply isn't capable of doing that, because it's a completely different UI paradigm - one designed for fingers (touch) not a mouse.

    ...

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  24. Third part:

    "Why I prefer Windows 8 to Windows 7 on the Desktop:"

    (Because you're crazy, but let's see your reasons.)

    "1. Much faster performance."

    Get rid of your Durdenstation and get a new PC.

    "Example: If I downloaded too many items into the Downloads folder, it takes ages to display the contents of the folder once I have opened it."

    Windows Explorer is known to be problematic when you have a lot of files in a folder, do what everyone else does, use a proper file manager, there's loads of choices (Total Commander, Directory Opus, Cubic Explorer, etc...).

    ...

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  25. Forth part (yes, the hunger was great, praise Linux):

    "2. What totally sucks about Windows 7 is that icons walk around the desktop after saving a document. This is a brand new bug, introduced in Windows 7."

    Why are you storing your documents on the Desktop? How do you manage the clusterfuck? Use folders like normal people and stop fucking around.

    "3. Built-in instant file content search is really appreciated. I don't have to run some bloated desktop search application on top of Windows anymore."

    Windows desktop search was available since Vista (you could even download it for XP). Have you actually ever used Windows 7? For more than a day? Really? Because from your words I have a hard time believing that, I think you used Windows XP (or something older and more crappy) and have never seen how advanced NT 6 really is, so now, in your lack of experience, you think W8 is awesome, because it doesn't suck like your old crap did; well I have a news flash for you - XP was replaced by Vista five and a half years ago!


    ... continued a few posts higher at 6/19/2012 11:48:00 PM

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    1. For search, do yourself a favor and get Everything. Its a god-send. I couldn't live again without it.

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  26. I agree with this article, Its like saying (for example) "The Nazi's are taking back Germany!" The Jews (Us) oppose them by saying "Screw you Nazi *****" And they (Win 8 Ass kissers) shout back "You just don't like change, deal with it assholes", In this example You can't just expect the Jews to accept being tortured and shit, that's how us Windows users feel when we used windows 8, we shouldn't have to accept change that is basically bullshit.

    Truth = Windows 8 is a pile of garbage, it brings nothing anyone particularly cares about to the table and isn't worth your money.

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  27. You're right Windows 8 really does suck. I've been looking for the ODBC Administrator for hours now.

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  28. Windows 8 ...the new coke. It's gonna be fun to see all the excuse from the Microsoft paid astroturfers.

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  29. Time to start getting used to UBUNTU. In 10 years Microsoft will not be dominant in the market. They are going to be an afterthought. Currently, there are other avenues to take for OS's and office applications, some of which are free. Microsoft has never been an innovation company, they just buy software. And usually ruin it in the process of making it their own!

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  30. I agreee - the UI of Windows8 sucks, but the overall performance increase is awesome. And that is the reason why I am using win8.

    You know - you can always modify the UI through "regisrty hack" or third-party tools to make it look like the old win7.

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  31. They should call it DOORS 1.0

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  32. Sinofsky, Mac lovers? Don't blame us Mac users for this fiasco! Our latest OS update maintains the tradition of computers looking like computers, not tablets. OS X Mountain Lion has more in common with Windows 7 than Windows 8 does!

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  33. I tried out Windows 8 OMG the worst OS I've ever used my tire life I used almost all Microsoft OS It's the crappy OS ever made never going to buy it. The Metro UI crappy, No Start Orb it started since Windows 95 and everyone likes it. I cannot find how to access my computer it's hard to use then compared to Windows 7 and Microsoft say's it's easier dumb Microsoft fire all employees who ever made Windows 8 and rehire new Employees I bet windows 8 would not sell good at all....

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  34. Yep, Win8 does suck. I tried preview and even the latest leaked RTM. I wont be using it. I been using PC's since 8088 processor and win 3.1. Win 8 is the most inefficient, bloated and ugly OS yet. Metro looks like something that would be used on a hasbro toy. What was Microsoft thinking when they created this?

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  35. They think they are improving Windows but are making it worse Metro is for Touchscreen and Tablets NOT DESKTOP PC'S

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  36. Used the DEV Preview for a while on a VM and now just downloaded the Release Preview... all I can say is OMFG! Fire everyone - what a nightmare... realistically wouldn't take much to change it but w/ the way Microsoft responds to users I don't see it coming too quickly.

    The Start Menu and traditional desktop shifts are a disaster as there is no "intuitive" way to go back and forth and I would think most casual users will be confused with programs that launch the desktop and then wanting to go back to their app for Weather etc that is on the start screen. Using the Windows Key shifts between the 2 but not ideal as it takes a very productive Start Menu interface in Win7 and now forces you to use it as if it was almost a full screen app. Kills efficiency.

    Ideally I would like to see a choice for where to place the NEW start screen - would have loved to see the start menu be a defined interface where I could have hidden it on the desktop and customized further such as the taskbar. Think of placing it on the left or right of the screen w/ autohide and having it only take up a portion of the screen that can be enlarged if desired like the old gadgets interface which is still there in Win8 but was utilized more heavily in Vista and some in 7.

    Icons for quitting the apps on the Start Menu such as Mail, Videos, etc... would be a great idea. I know so many users who currently don't even know they can use CTRL+C etc.. I am sure they will love this new interface. Cannot see this being implemented at all in business the way it currently sits.

    How about an integrated search box for programs, documents etc.. right next to the huge START text? That might be nice as well and possibly add some more productivity.

    I have a Windows phone and actually love it and saw Win 8 early on and thought they were going in the right direction. Unless they add some major interface changes I do not see this doing well. It does have the stink of Windows ME all over it. Less than 3 months to the supposed release date. It is a tablet interface and I can see how the Windows key on the phones would be a natural fit for this shift between apps, etc that takes place on one of the tablets but for the desktop - unless they allow further customization and add some interface elements I will not recommend this to anyone right now. Possibly they are thinking of the touch screen AIO pc's that are all over the retail market right now. Maybe it works better utilizing one of those.

    Win 7 is a great os. Stable and fast and just enough additional features that made the upgrade worth it. Win 8 has some nice features but there is nothing intuitive about it which they successfully implemented on their phones currently. Possibly w/ touch screen interfaces this works better but I cannot see traditional desktop/mouse users (Power or Casual) liking this much. Too much hassle to get simple things done right now. I don't see this being a change issue. There are just simple UI features that are not practical w/ a keyboard/mouse combo currently.

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  37. I tried it. I gave it a shot in a dual-boot alongside 7. 8 just sucks in the painful way Windows ME sucked.

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  38. Bye Windows *Kubuntu 12.04 welcomes*

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  39. I,ve been around since Windows started, and I have pegged, before final release, every crappy Windows release since then. I just added one more to the list.

    Windows 7 will endure through 8 just as XP did through Vista.

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  40. I will use Windows 7 until they pry it from my cold, dead hands!

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  41. I have always looked forward to the next version of windows. Windows 7 was awesome, so much nicer than vista and XP. I was really stoked about 8. I installed it on a VM and was completely unimpressed and bored with it almost immediately. The metro UI and all the gadgety crap on the desktop tiles just reminds me of the vista/7 sidebar, which I immediately turned off on those versions.

    I was hoping for something really innovative, not windows 7 with a glorified sidebar. Very disappointing. I agree with one poster that windows 7 will endure like XP did over vista. Guess we have to wait for windows 9.

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  42. Windows 8 is an improvement over Windows 7 except two things.
    1)No Start Button
    2) Metro interface

    There is absolutely no reason to remove the start button. It's like Microsoft thinks it's clever to make a car with no steering wheel and then blames people for not wanting to get in it.

    The metro interface makes my desktop look like an iphone. Okay for iphone not okay for my computer. This is hoping on the bandwagon at it's lamest.

    However like I said I do like the style and organization of everything except 1 & 2. At the very least MS better put back the Start button if they want this product to be taken seriously.

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    1. I agree, and while I don't use the start button very often(IMO), there are feature and hidden programs that I may use once in a while. Also Why Win 8 has the crazy idea, to remove the min, max, close buttons, was very stupid.

      It's not that people cringe of change, It's still a delicate matter, and should be used with caution.

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  43. Microsoft have lost sight of the fact that while they may be computing "gods" (in their own minds), they cannot exist without users and customers. The hubris is going to cost them, and I hope this is the time it happens.

    I am beginning to think they're just messing with us now, just pushing to see how idiotic they can be and still have people respond with Stockholm Syndrome.

    By the way, Ubuntu is not the only linux option that exists. I personally use Linux on my desktop every day, and for the one program my business needs that won't run in Wine, I use XP Pro in a VB VM. But I wouldn't touch Ubuntu or any *buntu with a ten foot pole while wearing a full hazmat suit.

    If you really hate Windows 8, and you're not a hypocrite, you're going to stick with Win 7, switch to Mac, or try Linux.

    If you try Linux... PLEASE try something other than Ubuntu. Some very good, usable options include Mint and PCLinuxOS. But when it takes an entire team of devs to take what Ubuntu puts out, and un-f*ck it so it's actually worth using (basically what Mint is), there's a problem. Just because you Windows users are used to having an OS that's painful to use doesn't mean you should continue that legacy while using Linux.

    Personally, I find PCLinuxOS is the best. But if I had to use Windows, I'd probably just stick with 7 and tell MS to kiss off.

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  44. Add one more to the number of people who DON'T like the interface.

    A desktop computer should remain a desktop computer. Unless of course, you can effectively drive the consumers to get rid of them in lieu of portable devices with recognizable, friendly, and intuitive interfaces (do those even exist in a microsoft world?). Not a conspiracy theorist, just a realist.

    If you like it, then by all means, buy it. If NOT, let your wallet vote for you and DON'T. I for one will NOT be moving away from Windows 7.

    I hereby dub Windows 8: 'The New ME'

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  45. I thought it was just me, when I didn't like the Win 8 interface. It is not intuitive whatsoever when you are using a PC with no touchscreen. So glad to see so many people strongly criticize it. I'm thinking that MS is betting that PCs will be gone in 3-4 years to be replaced by tablets and mobile devices, so it's not spending the money to make two versions. I want a 3-pack license of Win 7 Pro for $99 on Oct 26th. But I'm going to guess that a single-user license for Win 7 Pro will be $200.

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  46. Windows 8 is great as long as you install Classic Shell - a sourceforge project that basically makes it like windows 7. It gives you the benefits and enhancements of Win 8 with the productivity of Win 7 - it's a start. It pushes Metro to the background.
    http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

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  47. Why do so many people care for the UI that comes with a desktop? Most just need to surf the internet with Chrome or FF (not IE its died a slow death finally) and fire up Windows Office (sadly no competition here). There is a bit of interaction between them ... but really, apart from a few improvements here and there, do most people need anything more than XP?

    XP was torn down by hardware manufacturers who sponsored MS to come out with a bloated operating system. Thankfully Apple rose from the ashes to give us a real choice. MS are shooting themselves in the foot because they have to appease so many vested interests. Keep going, MS, it will be a pleasure to see you be put out to pasture. This latest Metro scatology may even finally give some Linux distros a real chance to offer yet another alternative.

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  48. Prior to the housing market crash, I knew something wasn't right. Things just did not add up. When a 1,100 sq ft home was selling for $350K when it was normally selling for $80K, things just didn't add up. As soon as we started hearing about the market flat-lining, I knew exactly and precisely then that the market would crash. Boy was I right about that one, BIG TIME.

    I have the same exact feeling about Windows 8. It just does not add up. Trying to put a touch device interface on a touch device is logical. Trying to put a touch device interface on a desktop computer is completely illogical. I was right about the housing market because it was completely obvious when "everybody" was thinking of a soft landing. I'm willing to bet I'm right about Windows 8 as well. It just does not add up. It makes no sense whatsoever.

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    1. The problem is the interface itself, not that its a touch-oriented GUI.

      Windows 8 just doesn't make sense! If you took Apple IOS and put it on the desktop you could STILL do just fine with a mouse and a pointer. That's because its logical in function.

      I just don't understand how Windows 8 ended up the way it did. Its like Microsoft abandoned all common sense conventions just to be different.

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  49. I hate the Win 8 interface, but I think it's the lead up to their announcing in 2013 the 'Surface PC' tablet has replaced the desktop PC. The Surface will come with wireless monitor and KB interface box and will be your PC and mobile device in one. The cool part is the Surface itself will not even need to be touched but only have to be within 10 feet of your desk to use the KB and Monitor and Wi-Fi.
    The final Win 8 release will include an auto detect to know which style (Metro or classic) to present depending on the presence of the KB.
    This is the rumor out of the Project Blackbird dev team. It's been in the works for 3 years and will render all other PC's obsolete.(except servers)
    Next will be a phone version that renders the iPhone obsolete.

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  50. MS is not the first to try this Ubuntu used to be the number one linux distro, they made a new desktop like metro called unity and it sucks just as bad. Ubuntu is no longer the number one distro by a long shot, even in the linux community people don't like being given no options. I myself use Linux Mint as someone stated before they unf*ck ubuntu and make it work. I have never been a huge windows fan at all but I do like 7 and 2000 prior to that. I have all three at home, Linux,7 pro and Mac OSX. I do the majority of my stuff on my mac, it just works and its 6 years old and runs as fast today and when I bought it. You can't say that about a PC you bought 6 years ago with XP and then toss 7 on it.

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  51. "Tiles" 8 is the most disgusting operating system for a desktop computer I have seen. I would not use it if they gave it away for free. I don't just dislike it, I hate it!

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  52. The only way I could figure out how to get to the control panel was going through screen resolution by right clicking the desktop. I know there are people out there that say "adapt" but, seriously, how hard would it have been to retain basic functionality for those of us not sold on disposable portable point of sale machines called tablets? I mean, that's really what they are...point of sales.

    They don't have and most likely never will have the computing power nor the functionality of a desktop system. Thus you're dependent upon the "cloud" for your storage of which you'll pay for monthly and an always accessible and crappy wireless inet connection in the form of *laugh* 3/4g capped at usage limits that are all but useless unless you want to pay more for the privilege of access your cloud storage or any # of entertainment sites.

    The fact is, Windows 8 changes the paradigm from being an OS that you use to your own ends to an OS that uses you to its own ends where you'll be whipping out your CC every time you want to use your tablet for what has traditionally been accomplished locally and at minimal costs.

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  53. Nice article. I'm on Win 8 now, trying to learn to use it but failing badly and I'm one of those in charge of a multinationals IT systems. No way in hell would we go down this path unless I wanted to sink the company.
    I mean, I just tried to install a program downloaded in Chrome, start the install and its gone, had to dig back to the desktop to finish the install, so a simple process just turned into a drama, holy f*cking sh!t.

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  54. I am one of three techs that support 100+ small businesses in Central Ohio. Personally, I'm a bit freaked out. I just spent 6 hours trying to figure out how to use this in a business environment and am starting to get closer. But here is the issue - I'm an "advanced user" and if it takes me 4 hours to figure out how to do the basics, Jane and Joe business user are NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!!
    Bottom line is, I can't sell this to consumers in it's current state. And Susie and John consumer are not going to have a clue how to operate this thing, unless they intuitively know to right click things, drag screens, and look for hot corners. My 60 year old parents will not. and 19/20 of my customers will not either.
    I'm getting horrid flashbacks to Windows ME

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  55. I'm a "MS guy." I'm a .NET developer by trade and I've supported MS throughout my life as a computer user and also as a professional. However, Windows 8 is horrid. I regret upgrading my Windows 7 installation on my laptop. Seriously, the "metro" or whatever it's called, interface might be okay on a tablet or smartphone, but on anything driven by a mouse, it simply sucks. Desktop mode? Great, but that shit should be default. No start button? wtf, ok I'm an "average" Windows user, so I can hit the windows button + whatever key I need. Seriously, MS screwed the pooch on this one.

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  56. I actually liked windows 8, when i got used to it, but was also receiving random BSOD's(that fukin smiley face is just gonna piss ppl off cause if you see that screen YOU ARE ANGRY!) though tests i learned it was Flash! with windows 8 and flash fully updated i uninstalled that crap and put 7 back on immediately(have a new found love for 7 stability) so im now waiting for the windows 8 disaster upon its release

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  57. Microsoft has clearly had a strategy since at least the 1990's which goes a little like: "Hmm, we want to keep selling people an OS and "Office Suite" over and over and over. Let's keep making new versions, which have some enticement to get the new version, but also make some things worse, so later versions can fix the bad features and sell in the next generation. Also we'll put as many competing companies out of business, so no one else will offer just plain good software with the features we are rotating out."

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  58. Been in computers since 1979, seen some really awful GUI's when the 1980s rolled around. Not a big fan of Windows 8 here, and what's bad is Microsoft is grafting the GUI into Server 2012, Sharepoint 2013 and Office 2013.

    This is not going to turn out well.

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  59. I predict a rise in market share for OSX and Linux, and a whole bunch of people running Windows 7 for years to come. Metro = fail.

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  60. After the disaster that was Vista, to have yet another toxic product in a glorified smartphone/tablet app media fanboy portal posing as an OS is a sick joke. So it's safe to speculate that Sinofsky may be an undercover employee plant from a competing tech firm encouraging one last Windows disaster product to ruin the brand for good. This does two things. It strengthens the mobile kiddie app market and adds yet more coffin nails for desktop software, Microsuck's claim to glory.

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  61. It may be a trite reason to be a HATER but what about us neat-freaks who don't like looking through a smudged screen? What are they thinking in Redmond- that now they can get kickbacks on 21" diagonal screen protectors or sell more styluses?

    The touch UI, the unacceptability for legacy software, the whole stinking aps-marketplace model brought to the desktop.... the more I see the eggheads of Redmond lord this anti-consumer crapware on end users the more appealing Linux becomes. Its time to get over the learning curve and go open source. Goodbye Redmond, Hello Red Hat!

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    1. Welcome aboard. If you're like me, you'll soon realize that you always hated Windows anyway. If you want to go the enterprise route, start with CentOS. Its just Red Hat rebranded, and its free.

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  62. Oh my god. I haven't tried it but from the couple reviews I saw, this thing is absolute garbage. It makes no sense to build an desktop operating system with mobile thinking.

    The reason people use desktops/laptops is to be as productive as possible and get the most amount of work done in the least amount of time.

    No-one will benefit from the disaster that is about to take place when windows 8 comes out. Microsoft has lost touch with all of their business customers... How is anyone going to be productive with this crap?

    The ribbon design on office does nothing but confuse me, and now they have incorporated THAT into windows explorer. Great, more confusingness!!

    I can't even begin to explain how much of fail this operating system is going to be. And now, people can't even buy a new PC because it's going to come pre-loaded with this shit on it. Just like windows vista, where I was hunting for a 'upgrade' to xp, people will be doing with new laptops. Or just switching to whatever apple is offering.

    I bought an Macbook air just to try out OSX, since everyone has been raving about it. I have to say, there is no question in mind, if my PC dies or I need to get a new one, I am going for MAC all the way.

    See you later Microsoft!!!!!!!!!

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  63. I had decided when I could no longer use XP (or win2k) I was moving to Linux, Debian with xfce ftw!!

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  64. Windows 8.. cut 8 in half and rotate 45 degree each half... windows ME nightmare!

    If google start to sell android pc's it would bet widows me! horrifics tiles! - since people are deep down android and iOs.

    i'll stick with w7.

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  65. Upgraded Win 7 to 8 Pro (only cost $15 with new PC promotion code) and noticed a slowdown of internet speed. Other than that, I totally dislike the interface. After one day I went back to Windows 7.

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  66. i tried to use it and i hated it. its so bad....and its so much a bad copy of android and some things of win 7 (not the good ones) i deinstalled it 3 days later. its unusable with a normal desktop-pc or notebook. typical microsoft-bs.

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  67. This is garbage i want my money back glad i only paid 20$ for it, MS you need to listen people dont want a tablet on ther pc we would buy a tablet if thats what we wanted

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  68. And Sinofsky is gone, yet the media narrative (at least in my newsroom) is focusing on his -3% profit year on year rather than the giant lump of steaming shit that he just dropped on the PC world. I have to believe that new PCs will continue to be sold with W7 as the preloaded OS long after the supposedly everyone upgrades. I'm no expert on this field but my hunch is that it was a generally misguided attempt to promote this new "surface" tablet thing that they are peddling. After what I can only describe as the abject failure of that 'windows phone' business.

    What is also a bit strange to me is within all the talk that MS is parroting Apple and trying to jack their UI, you don't see Apple redesigning their OSX UI to look like an Iphone: that would just be dumb. Personally I doubt I'll ever switch to an Apple even though if I were more adept with ProTools and FinalCutPro I would be making a ton more money than I am now, and also I doubt I am capable of switching to redhat because I am generally too shitty at programming to handle it. I really have no motives other than having a good relationship with the OS I am stuck with.

    There was a pretty interesting article in the Atlantic a few months ago by Kurt Eichenwald about how MS's bureaucratic culture has doomed it to obsolescence, and I think that it is only after reading this (or I suppose having some inner knowledge of MS's corporate culture and how they work) that Windows 8 can make any sense. In that context though, it makes perfect sense. The whole organizational structure is doomed to ridiculous decisions like this. I really liked Windows 7 too, I hope that new software doesn't become incompatible with it, but I suppose that never happened with XP pro so it probably shouldn't now.

    -A Noob Killing Time in the HK Airport

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  69. Windows 8 is a fucking disaster , if a given user does nothing but play games all day it may well be the next MUST HAVE gadget in the world of the fucking brainless entertained technoshitheads. BUT IF ONE WANTS TO DO USEFUL THINGS LIKE WORK , OR PRINT A SIMPLE PDF ... WELL THIS SORRY PIECE OF LUNATIC SOFTWARE IF ONE CAN CALL IT THAT IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AT ALL . I spent good money on a new computer with W8 without properly researching the OS. Now that I am sufficiently regretful about my decision I will take it to some geek shop and have the hard drive ripped out because it only allows one restore disk and install a new hared drive with wxp pro ... screw the support who cares until my FAMILY BOARD DIED IN MY 10 YEAR OLD COMPUTER I COULD GET THINGS DONE . This sorry piece of crappy OS cost me easily an extra hour a session because it is made for people whose `attention span is that of a mosquito on crack cocaine. Way to go Microsoft idiots ...

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  70. Now what EVERYBODY wants is a nice program to permanently delete ANYTHING from Microsoft as a virus - which is what it all it. I'm going to program my $15 Raspberry Pi and be able to do everything with it that my $1700 Windows 8 laptop cannot do !

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  71. Windows XP is the best

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  72. Here's a novel idea. Quit making OS's more hungry for resources and changing the UI to some ridiculous monstrosity hated by the majority of people. Focus on letting people use the interface they are used to, and perform the operations they want faster and faster. They will never do this. They are hellbent on adding more and more useless BS on the UI, more automation in office that people have to figure out how to turn off just to do what they need to get done without correcting the 'corrections', and this time they've done it so well there are companies making money by performing downgrades back to Win 7 and XP on newly bought systems so businesses can get back to their productivity levels before they bought computers with this failed experiment. If that isn't enough to make MS take notice, nothing will. I've erased it on two laptops I own thus far and replaced it on one with Windows 7 and Mint on the other. (work and personal laptops). They run a hell of a lot faster and perform all the functions that Windows H8 can. Windows 8 at best looks like something that should have targeted teenagers that only intend to buy touch screen PC's or tablets.

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  73. We just got 60 new Dell desktops with Windows 8. It has been 30 days and production has dropped 30%. Some of the blame is learning curve but most of the blame is the UI isn't business orientated. Windows 8 is fine for shopping for shoe or masturbating to porn but for actual production, sorry it sucks and is a time sink.

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  74. i liked windows 7 from the onset just bought new non touch screen laptop with 8 - please what a waste of time - i need to produce not fk with this cell phone looking app bs - 8 will not last

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  75. How does one create an ad-hoc network to jam lan games or test a server on win8?

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  76. I just want to say i fucking hate windows 8. I just bought this comp and thought 8 would be cool but i wish i could dick slap it and get my old whore back windows 7.

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  77. I am buying a mac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  78. Hello. I just upgraded Vista to Windows 8 and I miss Vista and it's crashes already. I didn't expect my high performance pc to be turned into an over-sized smart phone and app store! I'm pretty irked and now I have to buy a full os to wipe this idiot os off my computer so that it will all compute in the end. ... just not like I thought.

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  79. Windows 8 sucks indeed...

    Huge frustrations and the most unfriendly UI ever seen.
    Even the dumb mechanical repetition of every action required by the mac seems cooler than trying to get something good from this shit.

    Bill, come back to the garage and do something NEW. These "experiences" are starting to be anything but annoying.

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  80. I can't wait for touch screen tv. Just think, all I'll have to to is get up walk over to the tv and touch it to change channels.

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  81. The biggest problem with other bad operating systems was slow access or constant crashes. This would be the good side of Windows 8, the bad side being not being able to do basic tasks because you can't find anything except useless animations.

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  82. How did Windows 8 happen after Windows 7?

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  83. WHY MICROSOFT AND BALMER PURPOSEFULLY DESTROY SOFTWARE--AND CALL IT AN UPGRADE.

    Windows XP Professional was the best OS Microsoft could make. XP followed the visual simplicity, clarity and point and click of Macs (that made Steve Jobs and Apple so successful).

    Windows Vista and its progeny, 7 and 8 are basically DISABLED XP. See:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_Vista

    They are neither easy nor user friendly. They are mutilated and disabled and disarranged (i.e. deranged) versions of XP. Other features are hidden away and takes a while to search and find them.

    Toolbars with Icons, the sine-qua-non of a GUI are disabled. Even the close and minimize buttons have disappeared in Windows 8. So you cannot even close a window!!

    Vista and Windows 7 were, as if, built by a madman who takes a normal car (XP), smashes the dashboard and puts a shiny plate to cover it up, puts the brake pedal in the trunk and the gas pedal under the back seat and the steering behind.

    Why did they do that? Well, it is a racket to make money. Knowing that there is nothing more to design compared with XP, they had to find a way to keep making money. So the only way they can make it seem new is to make it somehow different--by disabling basic features.

    Then a couple of years later, they come up with a "new version" in which some of those left out features are put back in. This "upgrade" or new version is, however, secretly damaged in other ways and, in reality, is really a degrade. A few years later, another "new version" comes out claiming to fix those problems--and it does, but destroys something else in the previous version that was working!

    This "upgrade" racket makes you go round and round in circles, spending money thinking it is a real "upgrade", when, in fact, each "upgrade" is really a circular downgrade. Solution: Stick with XP or get Linux.

    Microsoft and Balmer need to be sued for fraud and racketeering. People should contact attorneys and state attorney generals and complain and inquire about filing class action lawsuits. Only when Steve Balmer is sued for billions, will he wake up and realize that this racket is not very profitable after all.

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  84. it's not that we like vista we just hate everything else!

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  85. I hate windows 8....very unreliable and an annoyance when trying to multi task/get things done at the drop of a hat. Old and simple is always better, keep it simple stupid. The new XBOX One looks like an intrusive, money sucking pile of "wants do everything" junk as well. Stop trying to impress the world MS, you are just making things on this planet more and more annoying for people with a no BS attitude who wish to get things done. Windows 8 has already lost me considerable profits in the last quarter due to its inability to functi0n with common sense and quickness. STOP TRYING TO BE APPLE.

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  86. Wait until you get your hands on that even bigger piece of shit windows phone 8! What a fucking train wreck M$ is - how did we get from XP to this shit?

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  87. Ugh, I bought a laptop this summer with Windows 8 on it, after doing sufficient research to believe I could make it function like Windows 7 with classic shell but faster and with less resources. But it's a total lie. There's things that classic shell doesn't/can't change (like the ribbon shit) and it boots far slower than Windows 7. My laptop with Win7 running on 2gb of ram and a Turion 2 M500 booted up quickly, allowing me to open and start using a program within 15 seconds of hitting the power button. But the new one, an Asus G75VX running on Win8 with 16gb of ram and an I7 3630qm boots up much slower, and is not completely booted to where I can open a program and run it until just over a minute. I'm going to be upgrading to the older OS as soon as I can because this is complete and utter bullshit.

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  88. You guys think Windows 8 is bad? You have it easy. Try migrating an entire company from Server 2011 to Server 2012 with the windows 8 interface. My first reaction was "Holy f@ck! why are there iPhone apps on an enterprise server?" Took an extra 3 hours just to get everything like the DNS and VPN, etc. to get set up. It was like they built a car and took out the steering wheel and replaced it with a toggle, put the gas pedal in the back seat. The brake is now a hand lever, and then they blame you for not knowing how to drive after you've been driving for over 25 years. The client didn't appreciate the extra hours we had to bill him just to figure out that POS Server. It was bad because he was told by an "expert" that he should upgrade and hired our company based on that. Hell if I had a dime for everytime I fix someones "expert" opinion I'd be on a beach. Well at least there is one silver lining, I'm going to make a sh!tload of money "downgrading" to Windows 7.

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  89. Windows 8... I see it as an annoying little retarded brother of The Windows 7 (and yes, in comparison to Win7 it's actually THE, all capital) with eyes looking in different directions and spit occasionally dripping from it's mouth.

    4GB ram recommended....Did they cut budget in optimization department or something? Because 4GB is no small amount, There are games that aren't bad and need less memory. Well, it still works...ok I guess? But it has HUGE issues:

    UI, yes, Metro, the most agonizing, unsuccessful, and annoying interface for people who can actually do something other that tweet and stuff on a pc. In fact somehow I sometimes ask myself, how retarded a person must be to put an interface that works fine on smartphone to a PERSONAL COMPUTER and expect it to be popular with the users that, well, were using the interface (for generations of OS's now) that was less annoying and more helpful and useful? Getting rid of The Start Button is the biggest loss for win8, since, well, it was everything, and now there's absolutely nothing, not even a single indication that there should be anything in the first place. I accidentally figured that if you click on the corner you will get to the metro, instead I was using the start button on the keyboard for a few bloody weeks, and god I hated it then and still hate it now going back to this crappy useless shortcut-in-block-collector for whatever reason I do not find something I might need to use on desktop, which has a similar feel but is completely destroyed!

    Then there's this update bug, or whatever it is, which is, after you update whatever is being updated with the windows update manager, you're like forced to restart, because until you do your hardware starts to suck, and suck really hard with performance dropping nearly in half for no obvious reasons!

    Now there's this annoying bug with the ALT+F4 command, which is reaaaaaaaalllllyyyyy shows the incompetence of the programmers (as if they were wash offs from apple or something), it appears that the command might work for one application and can completely be ignored by the other. so if by some chance you just want to ALT F4 out of the game or some application, and the command does not works and you're still there, guess what, on your computer this application can't be closed via ALT F4. Shows how little work and testing was put in the product, and how little debugging it had.

    Also, windows 8 offers such an amazing feature as "open after a minute or two" which happens at the worst of times. Remember how in Windows 7 or Windows XP if the application was not responding or something and you could easily slip out of it by ALT TAB or by summoning the task manager to shut it down? Well not anymore! On an i7 4702MQ with 8 GB R3, it takes up to like half a minute at it's best to summon the task manager, which also has this stupid bug NOT ALWAYS PUTTING IT ON TOP and as a result the stuck window somewhat sometimes still be everything you see....

    Also, I just had, JUST HAD to download special registry to put the shut down and restart and other options on the right click on the desktop drop down menu, since this OS apparently never heard of such thing as "switch user", "restart with boot options" or "lock" from the looks of what I saw in the bar on the side, which I don't even know how to name, since it's definitely not the settings or whatever it's called....

    All these useless and unpolished crappy bugs and features await you in windows 8.

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  90. What made Windows so successful is the look-out-of-the-window-perspective, that took the user to something like a countryside open space dotted with clouds ( e.g. the XP standard desktop background ). Now you are getting locked up with Metro, even without having a tablet. The psychological effect of colliding with a visual wall is not so great, as the figures show ( Win8-related revenues, XP market share ).

    Sign of the times.

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